Originally posted by StiltmanFTWso are you saying that it took the full power of the gauntlet to shatter the shield?
He was using the Gauntlet. As... you know... you can actually see during the battle.He only turned off his "omniscience" - the cosmic senses. So the heroes would stand a really small chance (0.05%) of surprising and beating him.
All stated on panel several times, don't be a DC version of carver, please.
i want to know EXACTLY how far some of you are willing to take this showing.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Serpent(a Skyfather) shattered Cap's shield. So it very clearly does not require the IG's full power to do so.
To be fair, Serpent was at his absolute best during the event, true-all-father-mode, amplifying himself with the fear caused worldwide.
But yes, he did break the shield. Uber magick tends to do the trick.
PS. You're the only person in this solar system who believes Galactus' physical manifestation is physically more durable than the shield haw-som
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so are you saying that it took the full power of the gauntlet to shatter the shield?i want to know EXACTLY how far some of you are willing to take this showing.
It took a significant portion of it. Enough to compare with the same amount Molecule Man or Beyonderpower users spent.
And even if it's a tiny fraction of its power, it still surpasses all the pussies listed in the op combined.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYeah, he was 'roiding there, and appeared to have used rune magics, but still... That same Cul would get casually gestured away by an IG-user.
To be fair, Serpent was at his absolute best during the event, true-all-father-mode, amplifying himself with the fear caused worldwide.But yes, he did break the shield. Uber magick tends to do the trick.
PS. You're the only person in this solar system who believes Galactus' physical manifestation is physically more durable than the shield haw-som
Only point being: we can definitively say that the shield's durability fails against Skyfather-level power. Anything beyond that is overkill.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so are you saying that it took the full power of the gauntlet to shatter the shield?i want to know EXACTLY how far some of you are willing to take this showing.
No, only that he was using the Gauntlet.
It's like having Tony Stark in his armour, punching Logan and sending him flying 10 feet away.
Did he use his armour? Yes, because Logan is heavy and Stark is just a human.
Did he use his armour's FULL power? No.
Thanos shattered it into tiny pieces with a single blow. Two, if you include the pimp slap, but it was akin to Wolverine blowing at guns he has already sliced:
Serpent... had to go SSJ, used both arms and caused less damage.
And it was written by Matt Fraction, who is an idiot.
Canonical King Thor --- Standoff Thor --- only dented the shield, much like Hulk did to Ultron.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXLike Stilt mentioned: Thanos' attack fragmented the shield more than Serpent's attack.
so considering the serpent showing, isn't it possible that thanos was "only" using skyfather tier power against cap?
This:
Compared to this:
Based on the above, we can deduce that Thanos' blow packed more of a wallop than Serpent's... How much more, I cannot say for certain. /shrug
**And to be clear, I was not implying in my above posts that Thanos' punch was capped to Skyfather-level. Just was clarifying that the shield itself does definitively fail against that tier of power.
Originally posted by carver9Because i don't know of any feats where an IG user quantifiably punched harder than that particular punch. Likeni said I can be wrong.
Why are you saying Skaar punched harder than any IG user?
Could a IG user possibly punch that hard? Probably. But have they ever? You tell me.
Stop wasting time and post feats. What are the best punching feats from an IG user shown?
Originally posted by h1a8it wasn’t harder than the feat in this thread. Bro man characters have punched people into space but cannot crack the shield. Can you compare the force needed here? I think force needed to shatter the shield is > than punching someone into outer space.
Because i don't know of any feats where an IG user quantifiably punched harder than that particular punch. Likeni said I can be wrong.Could a IG user possibly punch that hard? Probably. But have they ever? You tell me.
Stop wasting time and post feats. What are the best punching feats from an IG user shown?
Originally posted by Diesldude
it wasn’t harder than the feat in this thread. Bro man characters have punched people into space but cannot crack the shield. Can you compare the force needed here? I think force needed to shatter the shield is > than punching someone into outer space.
Most Characters who have punched people into space can't normally do that in a comic (outlier feats). Characters power levels often fluctuate. When no other evidence is present, we assume a character is operating at average levels. Otherwise we would falsely assume, that in EVERY SCENE, a character is operating at the highest level they have ever operated at.
For example, every time Gladiator punches someone, he is clearly not using planet destroying force.
And sending Juggs to space takes way more force than sending Sentry to space.
Imo it might take billions of tons to break the shield. But characters who have once or twice applied billions of tons in their comic career can not apply billions of tons of force 99% of the time (they are not written that strong on average).
Originally posted by h1a8that’s fine and all but that wasn’t my point bro. I agree no one operates at high end showings 100% of the time but I’m not arguing this.
Most Characters who have punched people into space can't normally do that in a comic (outlier feats). Characters power levels often fluctuate. When no other evidence is present, we assume a character is operating at average levels. Otherwise we would falsely assume, that in EVERY SCENE, a character is operating at the highest level they have ever operated at.For example, every time Gladiator punches someone, he is clearly not using planet destroying force.
And sending Juggs to space takes way more force than sending Sentry to space.
Imo it might take billions of tons to break the shield. But characters who have once or twice applied billions of tons in their comic career can not apply billions of tons of force 99% of the time (they are not written that strong on average).
My point is that I think it takes more force to shatter the shield than to punch someone into space. Punching someone into space was a big deal in the past but I think it’s still under the force needed to shatter the shield.
Originally posted by Galan007
Like Stilt mentioned: Thanos' attack fragmented the shield more than Serpent's attack.This:
Compared to this:
Based on the above, we can deduce that Thanos' blow packed more of a wallop than Serpent's... How much more, I cannot say for certain. /shrug
**And to be clear, I was not implying in my above posts that Thanos' punch was capped to Skyfather-level. Just was clarifying that the shield itself does definitively fail against that tier of power.
Exactly, just because both JBL and his son can lift a 5lb dumbell doesn’t mean his son can’t slap the shit out him. One is obviously stronger than the other doesn’t mean that they can’t exert muster up more strength to lift a heavier dumbell.
Originally posted by h1a8
Most Characters who have punched people into space can't normally do that in a comic (outlier feats). Characters power levels often fluctuate. When no other evidence is present, we assume a character is operating at average levels. Otherwise we would falsely assume, that in EVERY SCENE, a character is operating at the highest level they have ever operated at.For example, every time Gladiator punches someone, he is clearly not using planet destroying force.
And sending Juggs to space takes way more force than sending Sentry to space.
Imo it might take billions of tons to break the shield. But characters who have once or twice applied billions of tons in their comic career can not apply billions of tons of force 99% of the time (they are not written that strong on average).
Is Skaar punch harder than what Superman hit Doomsday with?
Originally posted by Diesldude
that’s fine and all but that wasn’t my point bro. I agree no one operates at high end showings 100% of the time but I’m not arguing this.My point is that I think it takes more force to shatter the shield than to punch someone into space. Punching someone into space was a big deal in the past but I think it’s still under the force needed to shatter the shield.
Well we need quantifiable feats for the shield to determine that though. When using characters striking the shield then we can only assume average levels. For example, if a character's average in a comic is a million tons then the shield can withstand a million tons.
Originally posted by h1a8
It depends on the shaking of the Earth or the shaking of a city or the shaking of the downtown area of the city. But why is that relevant here?But Superman punched WW astronomically harder than both of them.
Wouldn't punching someone past Earth atmosphere into space be much more difficult than punching someone the same distance across space? One have resistance and the other doesn't.