Originally posted by carver9Yes, it would require a lot more force just like a rocket uses far more energy to get to outer space.
Wouldn't punching someone past Earth atmosphere into space be much more difficult than punching someone the same distance across space? One have resistance and the other doesn't.
Originally posted by Stoic
I never said anything about distance, as the punch from space to Earth isn't exactly clear. It didn't appear to be the same disrance though. Getting back to the point, I think the question was about drag, or the lack thereof. You didn't answer it. Do you have to? Nope.
Well ok.
If you have two exact distances, exactly the same, punching from earth to space needs more energy than simply punching in space.
My question was , when did the second situation (simply punching in space) occur, for it to be mentioned? THAT'S the point.
Otherwise I might as well ask asinine questions like, what take more energy, punching from earth into space or punching through the same distance but through Adamantium, lmao.
Originally posted by carver9It's about the time it took to reach those distances. It took WW a few seconds. Superman was right behind her coming after her after the punch.
Wouldn't punching someone past Earth atmosphere into space be much more difficult than punching someone the same distance across space? One have resistance and the other doesn't.
Here's the kicker. DC uses relativity. So Superman accelerated WW to light speed and beyond. While approaching light speed, WW mass increased to near infinite. So Superman had to exert damn near infinite force to push her to light speed.
With that said, I don't know of any character in Marvel that has punched someone as hard as Skarr punched Juggs. Others characters (like BM) who hit beings in high orbit (26000 miles) is a speck of dust vs hitting millions of miles through space in the same amount of time.
So who do you think hits harder than what Skarr hit Juggs with and did they ever punch the shield at full force?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWe use feats and showings to determine power levels.
If a character, using full might, never exerted above a certain amount of force in a comic then that will be their max in a forum.
Here are some examples
If a character doesn't have TP resistant feats then they are automatically Susceptible to TP in a forum.
If a character never operated above 100mph in a comic then they can't operate above 100mph in a forum.
I can go on forever.
Thanos didn't hit the shield with infinite force. He hit the shield with a finite amount of force. We determine that force by analyzing other feats of strength or striking. The average of all the feats is the power level we can assume Thanos hit the shield with.
Lack of feats or evidence equals lack of power level in a forum.
Question is... Are we assuming that it was a purely physical feat(which is the way I have always viewed it), or are we assuming that Thanos was also using the IG's other esoteric abilities to assist in shattering the shield?
Because in that case, this discussion becomes less about who can survive the physical force of the punch, and more about who can endure IG-level matter/reality manipulation.
Originally posted by StoicMy post went over your head.
So tell us how much force that my took to dismantle the shield. If you don't know, stop pretending to know.
To prevent no limit fallacies, If a character's best showing is lifting a 2 ton car. Then that is the maximum amount they can lift in a forum, even if in the mind of the writer they can lift more than 20 tons. That's called debating with feats.
Plus this thread isn't about the speculative maximum potential of what Thanos can do. It is about what Thanos actually did.
Thanos could have struck the shield LESS than his maximum potential. Thanos can't strike with infinite force.
So we must go off what he did physically in other scenes in order to gauge his punching power.
Originally posted by Galan007
Question is... Are we assuming that it was a purely physical feat(which is the way I have always viewed it), or are we assuming that Thanos was also using the IG's other esoteric abilities to assist in shattering the shield?Because in that case, this discussion becomes less about who can survive the physical force of the punch, and more about who can endure IG-level matter/reality manipulation.
I didn't think about that. I always assumed the IG granted him extra strength and durability in that scene. If it was matter manipulatng power then I'm not sure who survives it now. Probably all would die.
I mean, I have personally always viewed it as Thanos tapping into the power gem specifically to shatter the shield with pure, brute force(hence him opting to physically punch the shield, instead of just hand-waving it out of existence)... But he was also spamming the IG's other esoteric abilities during that entire encounter, so I suppose it's possible that may have been using, say, the reality gem to assist with the feat.
...So I was just curious what the general consensus was there. /shrug
Originally posted by h1a8Where was it stated that WW was traveling at light speed and beyond? Where was it stated about WWs mass?
It's about the time it took to reach those distances. It took WW a few seconds. Superman was right behind her coming after her after the punch.
It could have taken Juggs many minutes for all we know.Here's the kicker. DC uses relativity. So Superman accelerated WW to light speed and beyond. While approaching light speed, WW mass increased to near infinite. So Superman had to exert damn near infinite force to push her to light speed.
With that said, I don't know of any character in Marvel that has punched someone as hard as Skarr punched Juggs. Others characters (like BM) who hit beings in high orbit (26000 miles) is a speck of dust vs hitting millions of miles through space in the same amount of time.
So who do you think hits harder than what Skarr hit Juggs with and did they ever punch the shield at full force?