Originally posted by carver9
He didn't allow the suns though, lmao. He didn't create them. You mention me not reading the comic but obviously you didn't.
We also have the fact, which you just mentioned and it backfired at you, WF can/did grant other objects to enter the 6th dimension
https://ibb.co/xJH8NfG
And yes, You didnt read the story you also dont know what the argument is. Otherwise you wouldnt have posted that scan which actually hurts your argument
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
...What? Even though it specifically stated WF created the prison universe but somehow in your comprehension WF didnt create these suns? Are you trying to argue these suns poped from nowhere lol?
https://ibb.co/q1bRrNM
https://ibb.co/6s3s2wFWe also have the fact, which you just mentioned and it backfired at you, WF can/did grant other objects to enter the 6th dimension
https://ibb.co/xJH8NfGAnd yes, You didnt read the story you also dont know what the argument is. Otherwise you wouldnt have posted that scan which actually hurts your argument
No, he created them but he did NOT move them. Also, WF outright admit he writes the rules of this dimension, why in the HECK do you think the rules he writes there would be identical to Supes dimension?
People not being able to cross over to that plain is proof that it's different. Mxy not being able to survive there is proof. There's no evidence to suggest Forger using identical rules for the 6th dimension. If anything, the opposite is shown.
You're all over the place. Are you not the same guy who mentioned the JLA being there not understanding WF allowed them to be there?
Originally posted by carver9You're digging, carv.
I'm saying that the suns can not be called your average sun, even Superman himself hinted at this during his first dip. The properties are just, different because they are not your every day sun. These things were created out of thin air and obviously had some context to them based off of Superman words during the first sun dip.
Even when depowered, WF can create universes with a single swing of his hammer "out of thin air":
That's how he created the 3D multiverse, that's how he created the duplicate/replacement multiverse in the 6th dimension, that's how he populated the Dark Multiverse with fallen universes, etc... That's just how he creates, as designated by Perpetua since his inception:
WF is a high-level cosmic being. Creating out of nothing is what he does. That is his purpose/function.
The narration after Superman's initial dip simply tell us what we already know about his biology: that sun-dipping amps him. While I agree that Supes may have very well been at his most powerful there, I attribute that to: a.) sun-dipping several times, and b.) attacking WF with a new resolve/mindset that he had never tapped-into before:
https://ibb.co/7QP7J5B
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https://ibb.co/yPshbdq
...Certainly not because the suns were magical and amped him to levels beyond what "normal" suns would have provided. Aside from the fact that this was never implied in the story itself, it also makes no sense at all for reasons I mentioned above: ie. the galaxy that WF trapped Superman in was explicitly made to contain him, and keep him in a weakened state... So why in the holy hell would WF put superduper "magical" suns, that could inextricably provide some sort of mega-amp, in a galactic prison that was tailor made to keep Superman depowered?
Originally posted by carver9
No, he created them but he did NOT move them. Also, WF outright admit he writes the rules of this dimension, why in the HECK do you think the rules he writes there would be identical to Supes dimension?People not being able to cross over to that plain is proof that it's different. Mxy not being able to survive there is proof. There's no evidence to suggest Forger using identical rules for the 6th dimension. If anything, the opposite is shown.
You're all over the place. Are you not the same guy who mentioned the JLA being there not understanding WF allowed them to be there?
First of all, WF wrote the reality/duplicated multiverse rules. Not the 6th dimension.
Second, Even if we assume it is true, Why in HECK WF would want to put/create/write these suns to be able to mega-amp Superman? Given the fact that WF absolutely didnt want Superman to leave this universe/ to fight him/ to beat him. The pocket universe was tailor made for imprisoning/depowering Superman. Like I and Galan said
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
-WF created that universe to trap Superman because he absolutely didnt want Superman to fight/beat him--IOW, There is no logical reason for WF somehow deciding to create suns that could amp Superman far greater than normal suns do. The opposite that these suns were amping him less than normal suns should be more likely, If anything 😈
Originally posted by Galan007
Moreover, the galaxy that WF trapped Superman in was explicitly made to contain him, and keep him in a weakened state... So why in the holy hell would WF put superduper "magical" suns, that could inextricably provide some sort of mega-amp, in a galactic prison that was tailor made to keep Superman depowered?The reaching here is... Something else.
And thanks to you we all know that Superman needing mxy's 5th energy to enter the 6th dimension has nothing to do with suns being able to exist in 6th dimension, Since WF can/did grant other normal objects to enter that dimension. 😈
https://ibb.co/xJH8NfG
So like I said, You didnt read the story you also dont know what is being argued. You pointed/posted a scan that supports my argument and hurts yours
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So moving these suns somehow made these suns become some supersuns that can mega amp Superman? 😂First of all, WF wrote the reality/duplicated multiverse rules. Not the 6th dimension.
Second, Even if we assume it is true, Why in HECK WF would want to put/create/write these suns to be able to mega-amp Superman? Given the fact that WF absolutely didnt want Superman to leave this universe/ to fight him/ to beat him. The pocket universe was tailor made for imprisoning/depowering Superman. Like I and Galan said
And thanks to you we all know that Superman needing mxy's 5th energy to enter the 6th dimension has nothing to do with suns being able to exist in 6th dimension, Since WF can/did grant other normal objects to enter that dimension. 😈
https://ibb.co/xJH8NfG
Who said he created these suns mainly for Superman? I'm telling you that the rules, everything there is not identical to the universe Supes and the JLA are familiar with. Even Superman admits this "the 6th dimension exist beyond imagination, beyond UNDERSTANDING".
I get what you and Galan are trying to say here but I don't think you all are understanding the point. The things WF created in the 6th dimension were based off of how HE wanted them to be. I see no reason for him to make anything inferior to anything outside of the 6th dimension. Proof of this is the multiverse he wanted to create that he signatured as being the best multiverse. The JLA he created that he outright said was better than the true JLA and the suns he created that Superman first dip into took him from near death to MORE than whole. I think once you all understand what I'm saying here, it would clear things up Mr. "How did the JLA survive in the dimension" not realizing WF gave them access.
Originally posted by carver9
Who said he created these suns mainly for Superman? I'm telling you that the rules, everything there is not identical to the universe Supes and the JLA are familiar with. Even Superman admits this "the 6th dimension exist beyond imagination, beyond UNDERSTANDING".I get what you and Galan are trying to say here but I don't think you all are understanding the point. The things WF created in the 6th dimension were based off of how HE wanted them to be. I see no reason for him to make anything inferior to anything outside of the 6th dimension. Proof of this is the multiverse he wanted to created that he signatured as being the best multiverse. The JLA he created that he outright said was better than the true JLA and the suns he created that Superman first dip into took him from near death to MORE than whole. I think once you all understand what I'm saying here, it would clear things up Mr. "How did the JLA survive in the dimension" not realizing WF gave them access.
WF, Who wrote every rule in that reality/what he created
https://ibb.co/sV8Ctnt
WF, Who absolutely didnt want Superman to leave the pocket universe and fight him
https://ibb.co/q1bRrNM
https://ibb.co/6s3s2wF
But somehow this guy decided "Hey, I want to put supersuns that can mega-amp Superman thus giving him the chance to phuck my ass. Despite I absolutely didn't want that to happen". Because what? Nostalgia? Carvirus?
And the beyond understanding part doesnt matter a bit since you idiotically helped my argument
Here, This is the post that I brought up JL case, To prove that normal objects can/did enter the 6th dimension
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
-JL also entered the multiverse that resided in 6th dimension without dying--Again, Proved that normal objects can/did exist in 6th dimension, Unless you want to argue
Originally posted by carver9
WF allowed them to enter that universe...World Forger have the power to grant people, even the multiverse he created access to be in the 6th dimension. Without him, no one or nothing can survive there. No one can freely open a portal there and just walk in. This can only be granted by the monitors.
Originally posted by carver9Right, and WF wanted his new multiverse to be a perfect replica of the 3D multiverse, so that he could replace said cosmologies without the Judges of the Source becoming aware of the switch. That's how identical the multiverses were from a cosmological standpoint -- not even *the* most powerful beings in DC would have known what happened.
The things WF created in the 6th dimension were based off of how HE wanted them to be. I see no reason for him to make anything inferior to anything outside of the 6th dimension. Proof of this is the multiverse he wanted to create that he signatured as being the best multiverse. The JLA he created that he outright said was better than the true JLA and the suns he created that Superman first dip into took him from near death to MORE than whole.
I say again carv: what indication do we have that the suns WF placed in Superman's prison galaxy were "magical" and mega-amped him to levels beyond what could be achieved by dipping in normal suns? Additionally why would WF put super-duper suns like that in a place that was explicitly created to keep Superman trapped and weakened? Can you not see why that is a bit silly?
Yes, Superman was indeed "more than whole" after sun-dipping... Because it is a known fact that sun-dipping amps him(Kryptonian biology and all that.) Magical super-suns aren't a prerequisite for that kind of amp.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
facepalm
Do you realize what you just posted? I mean do you actually truly meant what you just typedWF, Who wrote every rule in that reality/what he created
https://ibb.co/sV8CtntWF, Who absolutely didnt want Superman to leave the pocket universe and fight him
https://ibb.co/q1bRrNM
https://ibb.co/6s3s2wFBut somehow this guy decided "Hey, I want to put supersuns that can mega-amp Superman thus giving him the chance to phuck my ass. Despite I absolutely didn't want that to happen". Because what? Nostalgia? Carvirus?
And the beyond understanding part doesnt matter a bit since you idiotically helped my argument
Here, This is the post that I brought up JL case, To prove that normal objects can/did enter the 6th dimension
And you idiotically pointed out that normal objects can/did enter the 6th dimension if WF allows them. IOW, Normal suns also can be existing in 6th dimension without being more complex than 3rd dimension' suns If WF wants so
You're not making one bit of sense. The JLA came to the 6th dimension because WF opened a portal for their signature and made it possible for them to walk in with no issues. The suns were already in the 6th dimension, created by WF in that dimension. How are you not grasping the difference here? Why don't you understand? Is the 6th dimension beyond understanding and imagination, yes or no?
Originally posted by carver9
You're not making one bit of sense. The JLA came to the 6th dimension because WF opened a portal for their signature and made it possible for them to walk in with no issues. The suns were already in the 6th dimension, created by WF in that dimension. How are you not grasping the difference here? Why don't you understand? Is the 6th dimension beyond understanding and imagination, yes or no?
Thus it is your burden to prove they are not normal suns, You need to prove the negative, Not us. Since we already proved normal things can exist in there
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, and WF wanted his new multiverse to be a perfect replica of the 3D multiverse, so that he could replace said cosmologies without the Judges of the Source becoming aware of the switch. That's how identical the multiverses were from a cosmological standpoint -- not even *the* most powerful beings in DC would have known what happened.I say again carv: what indication do we have that the suns WF placed in Superman's prison galaxy were "magical" and mega-amped him to levels beyond what could be achieved by dipping in normal suns? Additionally why would WF put super-duper suns like that in a place that was explicitly created to keep Superman trapped and weakened? Can you not see why that is a bit silly?
Yes, Superman was indeed "more than whole" after sun-dipping... Because it is a known fact that sun-dipping amps him(Kryptonian biology and all that.) Magical super-suns aren't a prerequisite for that kind of amp.
What do you mean? WF outright say there isn't enough light in this dimension to give him energy and that his powers were already fading. The small suns were at a distance to where they did absolutely nothing for him. Also, this scan is more proof of what I was saying. WF didnt reference his garden for Superman as just an average garden, he referenced it as a COSMIC garden.
I posted a scan already mentioning things are different there. I don't know what else you all want, lol.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The 6th dimension beyond understanding and imagination, Doesnt mean the suns existed in there were also beyond understanding and imagination. Since the JL also did enter and exist in there when they were granted by WF. IOW, Normal suns can be there if WF wants so. All WF needs to do just what he did to JL. And WF specifically created that pocket universe to trap SupermanThus it is your burden to prove they are not normal suns, You need to prove the negative, Not us. Since we already proved normal things can exist in there
He said the 6th dimension is beyond understanding and imagination, he didn't say SOME of the things in the 6th dimension is beyond understanding.
Sigh, everything WF created wasn't normal. Everything was amplified. His garden, his JLA, his multiverse. Everything. He believed in making perfection, don't know why you think he didn't do the same for the suns he created.
Originally posted by carver9
He said the 6th dimension is beyond understanding and imagination, he didn't say SOME of the things in the 6th dimension is beyond understanding.Sigh, everything WF created wasn't normal. Everything was amplified. His garden, his JLA, his multiverse. Everything. He believed in making perfection, don't know why you think he didn't do the same for the suns he created.
Because WF specifically didnt want Superman to leave?
Because the sole purpose for WF creating that galaxy was to trap Superman?
Because WF absolutely didnt want Superman to beat him?
And also like you posted, WF wrote every rule in his creation, Thus he definitely knew what he was doing when he was creating these suns?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you want to argue JL are beyond understanding and imagination? Since they were also in there when WF allowed themBecause WF specifically didnt want Superman to leave?
Because the sole purpose for WF creating that galaxy was to trap Superman?
Because WF absolutely didnt want Superman to beat him?
And also like you posted, WF wrote every rule in his creation, Thus he definitely knew what he was doing when he was creating these suns?
Was the JLA created in the 6th dimension? If so, yes, they are above understanding and imagination (this is sad).
Yep, he didn't want Superman to leave which is the reason he gave him enough light to live but not enough to leave.
Yep, he trapped Superman, and...
Yep, he didn't want Superman to beat him. Trying to understand your point.
Yes, he knew what he was doing. WF, the person who likes to create perfection created suns in the 6th dimension. Suns he was worried about which is the reason he asked Batman to move them...🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️
Originally posted by carver9
Was the JLA created in the 6th dimension? If so, yes, they are above understanding and imagination (this is sad).Yep, he didn't want Superman to leave which is the reason he gave him enough light to live but not enough to leave.
Yep, he trapped Superman, and...
Yep, he didn't want Superman to beat him. Trying to understand your point.
Yes, he knew what he was doing. WF, the person who likes to create perfection created suns in the 6th dimension. Suns he was worried about which is the reason he asked Batman to move them...🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️
Shit, So you actually want to argue WF intentionally created some supersuns that can mega-amp Superman. Despite you conceded that universe was meant to depower/imprison Superman?
Also, He asked Batman to move these suns because he wanted Batman to choose sides and he was worrying about Superman fighting him , Which is an indication how powerful Superman is, Not because these were some supersuns
https://ibb.co/6s3s2wF
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