Hugo Danner (Gladiator) vs. The Cullen Family (Twilight)

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
It's the only thing we have, and I was being generous because otherwise there's no exact measurement it gives us.

That's for the jump. Which didn't happen in 1/84th of second. That was the movement from the five paces.

Strides are not jumps. They are paces here.

Nope, that was in reference to the five paces she took to reach the water's edge.

Did you completely miss the part where they drove half way first, and then Edward abandoned the car to run the rest of the way there? He didn't actually run all the way back from Port Angeles.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
[B]It's the only thing we have, and I was being generous because otherwise there's no exact measurement it gives us.

That's for the jump. Which didn't happen in 1/84th of second. That was the movement from the five paces.

As you said, we have no idea how long her strides/paces are. We do know how far her bounds are, and we DO know it took her a 'long bound' in 1/84th of a second.

Strides are not jumps. They are paces here.

Nope, that was in reference to the five paces she took to reach the water's edge.

Erm...no. It is in reference to the long bound she took. And we know how far her bounds are.

Did you completely miss the part where they drove half way first, and then Edward abandoned the car to run the rest of the way there? He didn't actually run all the way back from Port Angeles.

Lanny was in Port Angeles. Edward drove Carlisle there, to a dive bar where Lanny was, at breakneck speed. He didn't want to linger in PA, so left Carlisle in the car (which was parked at the bar, IN PA), and ran back to Forks. We know he was in the car, as his hands were on the steering wheel.

In the car.

At the dive bar.

Where Lanny was.

The Port Angeles serial killer.

Who was in Port Angeles.

Really, I don't see how I can make it any clearer for you lol.

@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly! 😉 it's OK mate, I feel bad for you, Broly or not. So have a good evening. 😂 Classic 😂 👆 This poor Duke Togo guy has been reamed to the point he can't parse sentence.

I am replying to three different people at once unlike you. Forgive me if I don't have time to proof read. Trying to goad me into expletives doesn't do you any favors, and like holy cow I am surprised people would unironically argue this hard in favor of freaking Twilight of all things. Not exactly high bars in terms of quality of writing.

Tbh, he may well be right about the canon doing shit all. I read Gladiator and the Marvel adaptation at least 40 years ago, all I remember is he wasn't that impressive and ended up in hospital just before the shenanigans on the boat.

And only suffered minor injuries. He collapsed due to exhaustion after he murdered his way through the German front, and pushed them back. He's a literal one man army. Who can survive direct hits from howitzers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As you said, we have no idea how long her strides/paces are. We do know how far her bounds are, and we DO know it took her a 'long bound' in 1/84th of a second.

No, we do not. It's explicitly in reference to when she moved those five paces again to reach the water's edge.

OK? Never made this point, lmao.

You are because you are saying it happened in that same 1/84th of a second.

Erm...no. It is in reference to the long bound she took. And we know how far her bounds are.

Citation needed. As what you provided, and what I provided made it clear it was referring to how long it took for her to reach the water's edge BEFORE her jump.

You laugh at my reading comprehension, then make a statement like this?

Lanny was in Port Angeles. Edward drove Carlisle there, to a dive bar where Lanny was, at breakneck speed. He didn't want to linger in PA, so left Carlisle in the car (which was parked at the bar, IN PA), and ran back to Forks. We know he was in the car, as his hands were on the steering wheel.

In the car.

At the dive bar.

Where Lanny was.

The Port Angeles serial killer.

Who was in Port Angeles.

Really, I don't see how I can make it any clearer for you lol.

No, it wasn't they left afterwards in the car but then Edward abandoned it because he was faster on foot. They leave the dive bar before heading back to Forks, and then Edward switches to moving on foot after that.

Originally posted by Robtard
@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

Nope. The distance of her steps are never specified. And paces change depending on the person's build. The closest we get to clarification is that satin bit, and even then it would require a ton of extrapolation. Using the non-common measurement of a pace would be disingenuous.

Wrong again. A "pace" is a unit of distance equal to 30 inches. 5 paces equals 12.5 feet. /maths

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong again. A "pace" is a unit of distance equal to 30 inches. 5 paces equals 12.5 feet. /maths

This wasn't the unit of measurement, and I even rebutted you on that before you brought it up:

"Using the non-common measurement of a pace would be disingenuous."

It's referring to her steps which can vary greatly here.

You keep on trying to give these characters feats they don't have.

So you magically get to decide writers intent.

The only feats I've given them is from the films, which is they can move faster than the human eye can see, to the point they appear like they're teleporting. That's far faster than Danner. Then there's their other non-physical powers. Danner loses here and pretty hard. You were finished on page 1.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
No, we do not. It's explicitly in reference to when she moved those five paces again to reach the water's edge.

Again:

Unhindered by my skirt, it took only one long bound to reach the water’s edge. Just an eighty-fourth of a second, and yet it was plenty of time—

So we know that it took one long bound, and it took her 1/84th of a second.

You are because you are saying it happened in that same 1/84th of a second.

Citation needed. As what you provided, and what I provided made it clear it was referring to how long it took for her to reach the water's edge BEFORE her jump.

As for my proof? I will make three statements below - say which one is true/false.

We know its a long bound for her in 1/84th of a second (true/false?). We know 50 yards is an 'easy' distance for her bounds (true/false?). We know she actually covered 100 yards in her bound (true/false?).

Putting these three statements together, gives the distance. Your logic relies on using human benchmarks for stride length, for a superhuman vampire.

No, it wasn't they left afterwards in the car but then Edward abandoned it because he was faster on foot. They leave the dive bar before heading back to Forks, and then Edward switches to moving on foot after that.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you magically get to decide writers intent.

You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.

The only feats I've given them is from the films, which is they can move faster than the human eye can see, to the point they appear like they're teleporting. That's far faster than Danner. Then there's their other non-physical powers. Danner loses here and pretty hard. You were finished on page 1. [/B]

The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.

The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

I mean...if you are just going to try and apply RL logic, that's just stupid.

What are Hugo's shoes made of, to withstand those running speeds?

How does he get the energy to perform his feats? I know he has to eat a lot, but even the amount he eats won't explain his abilities.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.

The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

No, I didn't decide what it means. It's shown in the films. They can move so fast that normal people can't see them.

You mean fictional super characters don't always obey the laws of physics because then the story would be ruined? No way!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So we know that it took one long bound, and it took her 1/84th of a second.

That one long bound was in reference to her crossing the distance of the five paces she took. She backed away from the edge of the river before striding forth, and then crossed that distance. Before jumping at the water's edge.

I am saying it took her 1/84th of a second to make one bound. As the text clearly says.

The bound in question is reference to her crossing the distance between the river's edge, and the five paces she took to back up. Getting ready for the jump first.

Citation provided. You have zero proof as to how much distance her strides cover. 1 bound can well equal 5 strides, where each of her strides is ~10 yards.

And it makes it clear that the bound in question is referring to her crossing the five paces she took when she backed up. The jump is something different entirely. The text is clear on this.

We know its a long bound for her in 1/84th of a second (true/false?).

True, she crossed the five paces she backed up from to the river's edge in 1/84th of a second.

We know 50 yards is an 'easy' distance for her bounds (true/false?).

False. Her bound here was another one to the river's edge. After she backed up away from it with five steps or paces.

We know she actually covered 100 yards in her bound (true/false?).

False. She didn't even cover fifty yards. She only covered the distance of five paces before her other jump.

Putting these three statements together, gives the distance. Your logic relies on using human benchmarks for stride length, for a superhuman vampire.

It could vary greatly but the point was these five paces were just what she did earlier to back up, and then she made her way to the edge. Then afterwards she jumped. However, it is restricted by her gait and she isn't a giant. She's very short. She can't stretch her legs or something like Mr. Fantastic.

Citation needed. My text is more recent than yours, I wager.

That's literally what it says. They didn't stay at the dive bar but they were there. They then left it, and then afterwards Edward left the car. Making it uncertain how far away Forks was there. Your excerpt is clear on this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean...if you are just going to try and apply RL logic, that's just stupid.

What are Hugo's shoes made of, to withstand those running speeds?

How does he get the energy to perform his feats? I know he has to eat a lot, but even the amount he eats won't explain his abilities.

You buddy Robtard literally tried to do just that, and tried to calculate the "faster than the eye" trope in fiction. After ignoring that the example therein mentioned the distance crossed was 70 meters. 1/250 of a second doesn't mean anything without a distance, and Twilight doesn't give us that for those "faster than the eye" feats. Though if they did I imagine it's not 70 meters either.

I can calculate some things for Hugo Danner though.

Due to how thick the vault door was? It would have required about a ridiculous amount of force to bend it in half.

How to Calculate Fastener Pullout

Gonna use the calculation you can find here. Scroll down to bending metal.

F = KTWt^2/D.

https://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?bassnum=MS0001&ckck&ckck=1

The tensile strength of steel is anywhere between 50800 psi to 60900 psi. Gonna use the former as a low-end. He bent it halfway down before it fell off so I will use half its length for the diameter.

K = 1.33 for V-shape bending. T = 50800 psi. W = 84 inches for the door width, and t = 60 inches for the thickness of the door. D = 42 inches or how much he bent the door.

[(1.33)(50800)(84)(60)(60)]/42 = 486460800 pounds or 243230.4 tons of force.

He survived a direct hit from a howitzer, and since he was a part of the French Foreign Legion and fought Germany in WWI? That means the slug that hit him was from a Big Bertha. Their rounds weigh around 810 kg, and are propelled at speeds of 400 m/s. That is around 40 pounds of tnt per impact, and it only gave him a minor flesh wound. They were also known for penetrating forty feet of reinforced concrete.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Big-Bertha-weapon

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I didn't decide what it means. It's shown in the films. They can move so fast that normal people can't see them.

What you're failing to realize is how broadly defined "faster than the eye" is. You don't actually have to move in 1/250 of a second to go unnoticed. People blink. People have trouble tracking fast moving blurs. You don't know how it is defined here.

You mean fictional super characters don't always obey the laws of physics because then the story would be ruined? No way! [/B]

Get a load of this guy lecturing me on this after he just tried to use real life to wank "faster than the eye" feats to being all universally high-hypersonic. Based on the fact he didn't even read his own article, and didn't know that result came from a particular distance moved in that time-frame.

Ouch. You really don't understand, do you?

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
That one long bound was in reference to her crossing the distance of the five paces she took. She backed away from the edge of the river before striding forth, and then crossed that distance. Before jumping at the water's edge.

We don't know how long her paces are. I am 10000% in agreement with you that the 'one long bound' was NOT over the river, but was to cover the 5 paces, which are of indeterminate length.

The bound in question is reference to her crossing the distance between the river's edge, and the five paces she took to back up. Getting ready for the jump first.

Unhindered by my skirt, it took only one long bound to reach the water’s edge. Just an eighty-fourth of a second, and yet it was plenty of time—my eyes and my mind moved so quickly that one step was enough. It was simple to position my right foot just so against the flat stone and exert the adequate pressure to send my body wheeling up into the air. I was paying more attention to aim than force, and I erred on the amount of power necessary—but at least I didn’t err on the side that would have gotten me wet. [b]The fifty yard width was slightly too easy a distance

False. She didn't even cover fifty yards. She only covered the distance of five paces before her other jump.

I could hear Edward racing to find me. My jump had been twice as long as his.

It could vary greatly but the point was these five paces were just what she did earlier to back up, and then she made her way to the edge. Then afterwards she jumped. However, it is restricted by her gait and she isn't a giant. She's very short. She can't stretch her legs or something like Mr. Fantastic.

Unhindered by my skirt, it took only one long bound to reach the water's edge. Just an eighty-fourth of a second, and yet it was plenty of time - my eyes and my mind moved so quickly that one step was enough.

That's literally what it says. They didn't stay at the dive bar but they were there. They then left it, and then afterwards Edward left the car. Making it uncertain how far away Forks was there. Your excerpt is clear on this.

Really, you are being a Bazie Albert now.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You buddy Robtard literally tried to do just that, and tried to calculate the "faster than the eye" trope in fiction. After ignoring that the example therein mentioned the distance crossed was 70 meters. 1/250 of a second doesn't mean anything without a distance, and Twilight doesn't give us that for those "faster than the eye" feats. Though if they did I imagine it's not 70 meters either.

I can calculate some things for Hugo Danner though.

Due to how thick the vault door was? It would have required about a ridiculous amount of force to bend it in half.

How to Calculate Fastener Pullout

Gonna use the calculation you can find here. Scroll down to bending metal.

F = KTWt^2/D.

https://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?bassnum=MS0001&ckck&ckck=1

The tensile strength of steel is anywhere between 50800 psi to 60900 psi. Gonna use the former as a low-end. He bent it halfway down before it fell off so I will use half its length for the diameter.

K = 1.33 for V-shape bending. T = 50800 psi. W = 84 inches for the door width, and t = 60 inches for the thickness of the door. D = 42 inches or how much he bent the door.

[(1.33)(50800)(84)(60)(60)]/42 = 486460800 pounds or 243230.4 tons of force.

He survived a direct hit from a howitzer, and since he was a part of the French Foreign Legion and fought Germany in WWI? That means the slug that hit him was from a Big Bertha. Their rounds weigh around 810 kg, and are propelled at speeds of 400 m/s. That is around 40 pounds of tnt per impact, and it only gave him a minor flesh wound. They were also known for penetrating forty feet of reinforced concrete.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Big-Bertha-weapon

Def a BazieAlbert.

Originally posted by Robtard
@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

He's not Broly. He's BazieMarc, aka MarcBazie, aka AlbertoJohnAvil, aka theacidskull (allegedly!), aka DoomTm, aka Rogered, aka.....oh, I cannot spoil his other accounts!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ouch. You really don't understand, do you?

Projection on your part. I understand everything just fine.

Good.

What's not good is what you claim next.

Please re-read my post. And reread the text - here, I quote AGAIN:

So again, 50 yards is an easy distance for her, true/false?

It was but it's a feat of strength not a feat of speed. As this wasn't done in 1/84 second. You got the wrong "bound here." The jump over the river happens after this:

I backed up five paces, just in case, and took a deep breath. I began my first stride. And then stopped when the tight satin split six inches up my thigh. Alice! Unhindered by my skirt, it took only one long bound to reach the water's edge. Just an eighty-fourth of a second, and yet it was plenty of time - my eyes and my mind moved so quickly that one step was enough.

It's clearly referring to her reaching the water's edge, and it's at the water's edge where she jumps. The 1/84th of second bit is referring to when she reached the water's edge BEFORE her jump. The bound was a step. After she backed up five paces first.

Lmao, you really are unable to comprehend. Re-read the text:
This is COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM HER 5 PACE BOUND, LMAO.

It is not. It's the same thing. What she is referring to when 1/84 of a second is mentioned is her stride or bound to the water's edge. Not the jump.

You assume greatly that steps/paces are shorter than bounds. READ AGAIN:

She took five paces backwards, and then her stride or bound crossed those five paces to the water's edge. In 1/84 of a second. Then she jumped over the river after that.

Meyer doesn't seem to care, lol. steps and bounds seem to be interchangeable. 5 paces = 5 steps but 1 step can also =1 long bound.

That's because she took a much longer stride or bound to cross the previous five paces backwards to reach the water's edge. The bound is crossing the five paces between her and the water's edge. Before she leapt afterwards.

You....haven't read the books, have you, lol. Carlisle stayed at the bar, then attacks Lanny. Where does it say they left, and where does it say they drove halfway, and where does it say Edward left to go faster on foot?

Really, you are being a Bazie Albert now.

They clearly left, and got into their car. Which means Carlisle drove back. Carlisle can drive, and he had every reason to drive back. After all, the guy was a serial killer. He couldn't leave him unattended. Who knows who else he might have killed.

I don't even know who that is, and I don't care.