Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, so now you're saying if Hulk broke Cain's hands, thousands (or [b]more would die??Lol, proof of this please. [/B]
I never said that. If they fought, and the Hulk unleashed the amount of power that it would take to defeat Cain, many innocents would die. He could've ended it the moment that his ship touched down by destroying the entire planet. He didn't because he was out to judge the ones that sent him away.
Dark, your post is so full of desperation that it shows you didn't read everything about WWH and its terrible Stilt is on your side which shows he hasn't read the issues as well. The Incredible Hulk #108 is dedicated fully to Cho proving Hulk will not hurt him or kill anyone else. Hell, the scene you posted, there was an identical scene afterwards except Hulk was in a rage and he still didn't kill or hurt Cho. Far more rage than what's in your lame scans with the puppy. The book is called Incredible Hulk issue 108. You and Stilt should put some time into reading it before posting in WWH threads on topics you have no clue about...
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao you and Stoic are so obsessed with killing.If Tyson beats the crap out of me, but does not kill me, that's him holding back. But he still beat the crap out of me, right? He didn't kill me.
The Hulk's stats ramp up, or down according to his level of power. This was on panel.
Originally posted by Stoic
Because the amount of power that it would've taken to beat Cain would've resulted in the deaths of innocent mutants. This is why he stepped aside and let Cain plunge into the lake.
Yet, it didn't take anywhere near that much power to beat the hell out of Hercules, so Juggernaut > Hercules by your logic, which is the whole point of this thread.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk's stats ramp up, or down according to his level of power. This was on panel.
And? That has nothing to do with the point at hand.
He can ramp up - sure.
So why not ramp up to break Cain's hands? No drawn out fight, no need for innocents to be harmed - just a simple CRUNCH, and Juggy would be out of the fight. Like he did to Colossus and Mr Gideon. Cup of water vs an ocean, right?
Or why not just do a 1-shot? No need to kill, just 1 punch. Like he did to Ares and She-Hulk, Warpath etc. No need to fight, or lock hands, just a quick ending of Cain.
Don't say he was holding back, lmao. You can hold back and not kill - like with his own cousin, Jennifer.
Don't say he wasn't there to fight Cain. He was perfectly happy to punch Cain's lights out earlier.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Yet, it didn't take anywhere near that much power to beat the hell out of Hercules, so Juggernaut > Hercules by your logic, which is the whole point of this thread.
Hercules wasn't actually there to fight though. Throwing shit out there to see if it sticks huh? Cain's enchantment makes him tougher than Hercules, but that doesn't somehow translate to him being able to lift more. He can't and never has been able to. So unless you have a citing that explicitly shows Cain doing more than taking years to dig out from under an ancient temple, he is the weakest on the list. The Hulk is by far the strongest. You guys are simply too ambitious. You've even attempted to cover up the lack of actual strength feats on his part, and tried to replace them with battle feats. The problem with your logic is that you refuse to account for his unstoppable enchantment, and his toughness enchantment. Take those away and your faced with a Wonder Man level character.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And? That has nothing to do with the point at hand.He can ramp up - sure.
So why not ramp up to break Cain's hands? No drawn out fight, no need for innocents to be harmed - just a simple CRUNCH, and Juggy would be out of the fight. Like he did to Colossus and Mr Gideon. Cup of water vs an ocean, right?
Or why not just do a 1-shot? No need to kill, just 1 punch. Like he did to Ares and She-Hulk, Warpath etc. No need to fight, or lock hands, just a quick ending of Cain.
[b]Don't say he was holding back, lmao
. You can hold back and not kill - like with his own cousin, Jennifer.Don't say he wasn't there to fight Cain. He was perfectly happy to punch Cain's lights out earlier. [/B]
Neither of them are enchanted. At the height of his power, he wouldn't have even noticed Cain's punches. I know that burns your ass up, but there is relief at the pharmacy. He was there to get Xavier. He removed the obstacles and that's exactly what he did.
Once more:
Hulk wasn't out to kill, right? But there are levels to this shit, lol. He wasn't trying to kill any of THESE guys - but he was one-shotting them left right and center:
His friends, his family - one shotted (maybe 2 for Doc, if we are generous).
So Stoic and Carv, your laughable clinging to 'Oh but Hulk does not kill!!111!' is stupid. NO-ONE SAID HE HAD TO KILL JUGGERNAUT, lol.
Next, the 'argument' that he wasn't there to fight the mutants. OK. Maybe that was the case when he first arrived - but at the beginning of issue 2, that was not the case any more:
And he was perfectly happy to go after and fight Juggernaut and three shot him:
So arguing he wasn't there to fight, falls over as an argument. Saying he held back so as to not kill, is a red herring. I could get into a fight with a pro boxer, who isn't out to kill me - doesn't mean he can't oneshot KO me, right? Or an MMA fighter - just because he is holding back to not kill me, doesn't mean he can't break my arms and legs, right?
Or are you guys arguing that in an MMA match, a trained expert fighter won't break my arms and legs and can't KO me because they are holding back, lmao.
Originally posted by Stoic
Neither of them are enchanted. At the height of his power, he wouldn't have even noticed Cain's punches. I know that burns your ass up, but there is relief at the pharmacy. He was there to get Xavier. He removed the obstacles and that's exactly what he did.
See my scan. He was originally there for Xavier - but then, he was going to make ALL of them pay (emphasis NOT mine).
As for the enchantment, what - are you now arguing that Cain is immune to damage?
More crippling - and he doesn't even know if X-23 has a healing factor like Logan's, but still throws her KO'd body into a building lmao.
He even makes a point that he's all about the crippling, lol.
And more evidence he was perfectly happy to fight them all, and wasn't just after Xavier:
So again - saying he wasn't there to fight, is weird when he just spent 3 issues fighting everyone, and even spending time to sadistically beat kids and Logan over and over and over and over and over again.
Saying that he held back and wasn't out to kill, is weird when no-argued that in the first place.
He locked hands with a full-powered Juggy, and was unable to end it like he did with everyone else (and with weaker Juggy). So had to BFR him.
Thus, in a pure contest of strength, Juggy matched the angriest, strongest Hulk to date at the time. And hence, is underrated by people clinging to low showings.
Originally posted by Stoic
Hercules wasn't actually there to fight though. Throwing shit out there to see if it sticks huh? Cain's enchantment makes him tougher than Hercules, but that doesn't somehow translate to him being able to lift more. He can't and never has been able to. So unless you have a citing that explicitly shows Cain doing more than taking years to dig out from under an ancient temple, he is the weakest on the list. The Hulk is by far the strongest. You guys are simply too ambitious. You've even attempted to cover up the lack of actual strength feats on his part, and tried to replace them with battle feats. The problem with your logic is that you refuse to account for his unstoppable enchantment, and his toughness enchantment. Take those away and your faced with a Wonder Man level character.
I'm not covering up anything. WWH failed to overpower Juggernaut. This is a fact. Juggernaut didn't use his enchantment until he started pushing Hulk back. As has been explained the enchantment only kicks in once Juggernaut builds forward momentum, which he didn't have until he overpowered Hulk. This is also a fact. Saying that he's Wonder Man level when he has beat the snot out of Professor Hulk and Thor is absolutely ridiculous.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is Hulk holding back.Against a 16 year old boy with human level durability and a puppy strapped to his chest.
Edit: a 16 year old boy with human level durability and a puppy strapped to his chest - who was trying to help him.
Hulk's response: hammer fist.
THIS is your post, DARK, when it's clearly shown on panel he would NOT hurt Cho, no matter the circumstances. Don't try to dodge. You posted this mess when in actuality, Hulk would NOT have hurt Cho with his human level durability or the cute dog. Read the comics, please.
Originally posted by carver9
THIS is your post, DARK, when it's clearly shown on panel he would NOT hurt Cho, no matter the circumstances. Don't try to dodge. You posted this mess when in actuality, Hulk would NOT have hurt Cho with his human level durability or the cute dog. Read the comics, please.
Dodge? So what was Hulk doing there in my scans, please? And post proof of what was happening.
Tell me, what was Hulk raising his fists for? What was the charge for? We even see him smashing his arm down onto Herc who had pushed Cho out of the way.
So please, elaborate. No dodging here, I'm not you 😂
Originally posted by carver9
Dark, your post is so full of desperation that it shows you didn't read everything about WWH and its terrible Stilt is on your side which shows he hasn't read the issues as well. The Incredible Hulk #108 is dedicated fully to Cho proving Hulk will not hurt him or kill anyone else. Hell, the scene you posted, there was an identical scene afterwards except Hulk was in a rage and he still didn't kill or hurt Cho. Far more rage than what's in your lame scans with the puppy. The book is called Incredible Hulk issue 108. You and Stilt should put some time into reading it before posting in WWH threads on topics you have no clue about...https://ibb.co/T0N9xQ9
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Can you look at the pictures here. He did the EXACT same thing in this instance except he was far more pissed. Why are you not comprehending this?
Originally posted by carver9
Can you look at the pictures here. He did the EXACT same thing in this instance except he was fat more pissed. Why are you not comprehending this?
Why are you dodging my questions?
I don't care what Hulk did later. I am talking about the specific instance I showed, with ALL the relevant panels. What, was Hulk just going give Cho a hug?
And again, you once more ignore my point - and seem to think just because someone doesn't kill, that's all that matters.
When in fact, there is a whole lot of hurt one can do - as seen with Hulk. Was he not killing? Sure, 10000% agree he didn't kill.
But just because Tyson doesn't kill me, doesn't mean he can't break me or KO me, understand?