How strong is Hercules really by comparison.........

Originally posted by Stoic
The Celestial tech didn't give him anything that he didn't already possess. Hence, he didn't suddenly sprout wings and fly, didn't begin using telepathy, didn't begin using magic, etc. The tech simply allowed him to more efficiently access his power. The Green Scar was able to do this, but better. He wasn't trying to destroy Cain, just remove him from play.

Originally posted by GodofNature
What is carver's deal anyway, i thought he would be just a Hulk fanboy, but it looks like he is a weirdo in general.

You know how geniuses are so much smarter then everyone that they just can't relate to them?

Originally posted by cdtm
You know how geniuses are so much smarter then everyone that they just can't relate to them?

GodofNature... be quiet before I tell the mods who you really are.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You're moving the goal posts. He beat the shit out of Cain when he was depowered, but he couldn't when he was at full strength. He had to resort to BFR.

This argument is over. Once you can tell the difference between 2 people charging at each other, then we can talk.

Originally posted by Magnon
But the tech did give him something he didn't already possess: the ability to stop Cain (also, it gave him tentacles). Apocalypse was very specific in his commentary; he didn't assign the feat to Hulk but to the Celestial tech. You are just inventing some head-canon of your own, applying confirmation bias as necessary, without having any actual comic book support.

What are you even talking about? He used the armor to control Hulk and utilize the power that is within Hulk. He even say this on panel. Are you ok?

https://ibb.co/txMNBQ3

He even say this power will help him take over the Celestials themselves.

Originally posted by carver9
This argument is over. Once you can tell the difference between 2 people charging at each other, then we can talk.

Running away, carver? Just like WWH from Juggernaut.

Originally posted by GodofNature
What is carver's deal anyway, i thought he would be just a Hulk fanboy, but it looks like he is a weirdo in general.

Carver's deal is that he is an extreme masochist, who enjoys getting gangraped by the entire forum.

This shit he is saying here - he's not even consistent - in past threads he argued the opposite and he'll do so again in the future.

I think Hulk could shed his experience and go new. If it is greater than Nimrod 30 th century technology he can kill Juggernaut.
The ever loving Hulk. Hulk. Hulk.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
I think Hulk could shed his experience and go new. If it is greater than Nimrod 30 th century technology he can kill Juggernaut.
The ever loving Hulk. Hulk. Hulk.

Originally posted by Magnon
But the tech did give him something he didn't already possess: the ability to stop Cain (also, it gave him tentacles). Apocalypse was very specific in his commentary; he didn't assign the feat to Hulk but to the Celestial tech. You are just inventing some head-canon of your own, applying confirmation bias as necessary, without having any actual comic book support.

Did you notice how Cain pushed War Hulk like a plow across a stretch of desert? Did you notice that he didn't do that to the Green Scar? Did you take notice that it explicitly states that the Green Scar was holding back the entire time? Did you take notice that a footfall, one single footfall nearly sank the entire Eastern Seaboard? Did you notice that he was still drastically holding back? He even screams for someone to help him so that he didn't cause more destruction. You're talking about undermining a foundation? How Cain had to stop? Really? Cain was trapped beneath an ancient temple that took years for him to dig out, while the Hulk threatened to sink the Eastern Seaboard with a footfall while drastically holding back. This is like comparing a cup of water to an ocean. Meanwhile he goes well beyond his WW Hulk levels during the Heart of the Monster arc. Even before he enters the Dark Dimension he beats up on characters that were stated to be 1000x greater than their base levels. So no, Cain is nowhere near the Hulk's strength level when arguing full capacity.

Originally posted by Stoic
Did you notice how Cain pushed War Hulk like a plow across a stretch of desert? Did you notice that he didn't do that to the Green Scar? Did you take notice that it explicitly states that the Green Scar was holding back the entire time? Did you take notice that a footfall, one single footfall nearly sank the entire Eastern Seaboard? Did you notice that he was still drastically holding back? He even screams for someone to help him so that he didn't cause more destruction. You're talking about undermining a foundation? How Cain had to stop? Really? Cain was trapped beneath an ancient temple that took years for him to dig out, while the Hulk threatened to sink the Eastern Seaboard with a footfall while drastically holding back. This is like comparing a cup of water to an ocean. Meanwhile he goes well beyond his WW Hulk levels during the Heart of the Monster arc. Even before he enters the Dark Dimension he beats up on characters that were stated to be 1000x greater than their base levels. So no, Cain is nowhere near the Hulk's strength level when arguing full capacity.

All moot. Cup of water to an ocean, yet couldn't beat him or overpower him 😂

Because he held back the entire time. He considered the rest of the mutants aside from Xavier innocent.

Originally posted by Stoic
Because he held back the entire time. He considered the rest of the mutants aside from Xavier innocent.

Yet beat and overpowered the mutants. Curious.

Beat not killed. Big difference.

And he didn't beat Cain when he was at full power, he had no qualms about beating him when he was depowered. Funny.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You seem to equate 'holding back' with 'no killing'.

You can still hold back and cripple people. As seen when he did this to Colossus, Gamma Corps et al.

Crippling is in his MO. Crippling whilst locking hands is DEFINITELY in his MO.

But, as Carver would whine, that's OTHER characters. With Juggy, he seemed perfectly OK to try and 3-shot him - so why not 1-shot Juggy?

3 shots, for a puny Juggy:

Why not a more efficient 1-shot? Don't tell me it's not in his character, lol. He 1-shotted plenty of characters (Ares, HIS OWN COUSIN etc), and it would cause far less damage than a prolonged fight (or even a BFR - WWH's actions blew a hole in Westchester's perimeter wall).

Saying he wasn't there to destroy Juggy is laughable - when we saw him doing exactly that, when Juggy was weak.

WWH seems like a giant bully, tbh.

Hmmmm

Big bully Hulk. Happy to one shot and cripple weaker characters, but when someone his own size steps up?

Oh no, sorry, no time!

Because the amount of power that it would've taken to beat Cain would've resulted in the deaths of innocent mutants. This is why he stepped aside and let Cain plunge into the lake.

Originally posted by Stoic
Because the amount of power that it would've taken to beat Cain would've resulted in the deaths of innocent mutants. This is why he stepped aside and let Cain plunge into the lake.

I thought you said Hulk had infinite strength? Why couldn't he just cripple Juggernaut like he did with Colossus? Cup of water Vs an ocean, right?

Or just one shot Juggernaut? He was happy to one shot his own cousin, Ares, beat the snot out of Hercules (who wasn't even there to fight him), depowered Juggernaut......a simple one shot would end things, no?

Locking arms in the first place was bringing the mansion down - so why not do what he did to Piotr, and just end things there and then with a good old fashioned crippling?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hmmmm

Big bully Hulk. Happy to one shot and cripple weaker characters, but when someone his own size steps up?

Oh no, sorry, no time!

He didn't kill any of those characters. He dealt with them just like he dealt with Cain. Would you play football in your living room after buying thousands of dollars worth of fragile antiques? If you would, that's on you. The Hulk on the other hand wouldn't.