Originally posted by DarkSaint85
5. Herc pushes Cho out of the way, and where Cho's head used to be, is Herc's forearm, blocking the blow. It's a pretty hard blow, as we can see Herc's face in pain.
So Herc push Cho out of the way "where Cho head used to be" and Hulk hits with enough force "where Cho head use to be" that it bent Hercules over but Hulk was going to mathematically prevent this blow from killing Cho?. I've seen it all.
Originally posted by carver9
So Herc push Cho out of the way "where Cho head used to be" and Hulk hits with enough force "where Cho head use to be" that it bent Hercules over but Hulk was going to mathematically prevent this blow from killing Cho?. I've seen it all.
Gamma Maths. Sorry if you don't like it. But it's canon.
Originally posted by h1a8
BM should be stronger. He punched Sentry into high orbit and also lifted a meteor the size of Arkansas.
How is that comparable to Hercules stopping the Earth’s rotation with Sunspot, armwrestling Thor to a stalemate and lifting the heavens “presumably earth’s atmosphere” The size of Arkansas sounds a bit low in comparison.
Punching someone in high orbit is a basic high tier feat honestly. On top of the fact Adam’s powers mess with The Sentry
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How is that comparable to Hercules stopping the Earth’s rotation with Sunspot, armwrestling Thor to a stalemate and lifting the heavens “presumably earth’s atmosphere” The size of Arkansas sounds a bit low in comparison.Punching someone in high orbit is a basic high tier feat honestly. On top of the fact Adam’s powers mess with The Sentry
Did it explicitly state that Adam's powers screwed with the Sentry? What about the Watcher stating that he nearly cracked the moon? Adam is certainly not the strongest on the list, but he isn't the weakest either.
That's a bit different since he wouldn't have an enchantment that kept the Hulk from breaking his arms. Oh, and when you find proof that shows Cain lifting more than a building, be sure to show it. He failed to easily free himself from a temple that collapsed on him, failed to overpower Thor without his toughness enchantment, failed to easily defeat a teen Colossus, and struggled to keep a cave from falling on his head. All of this happened while he was good buddies with Cytorrak.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the point. WWH couldn't output enough to deal with Cain, despite being able to output enough to deal with everyone else.HOWEVER, Cain was NOT immune to WWH:
But the point being, he was unable to overpower Cain when they locked hands. Unable to cripple him - and it wasn't due to toughness (or at least, not solely) as Hulk was perfectly able to damage him with punches.
The unstoppable nature only works when he is charging. As I have shown. No charging (like, say, when he is locked up), no unstoppable enchantment.
So, what do we have? A Hulk who is perfectly capable of damaging a full powered Juggy with punches, but is unable to to damage when Juggy is pushing back.
Ergo, strength.
As for the WBH 'feat', I have shown that matter in the Dark Dimension is weaker than in 616, plus it was a shared feat, so....moot. A tangent, anyway, as that is not the main point.
Using the Hulk as a means to measure Cain's strength level is erroneous. That version of the Hulk dialed his strength level down to avoid killing the innocent. This did not mean that if an innocent got in the way of his agenda, that he wouldn't hurt them, as seen during that particular story. The amount of power that it would've taken to put Cain down, would've resulted in the deaths of many of the mutants near the battle, which is why the Hulk opted to BFR Cain. Cain's toughness far exceeds his level of strength, which is easily seen by taking note of the fact that it would be impossible for him to break his knuckles while punching at full force. This is in fact due to his enchanted toughness. I've already explained this to you, but it appears that your heads toughness may actually rival Cain's.
Originally posted by Stoic
Using the Hulk as a means to measure Cain's strength level is erroneous. That version of the Hulk dialed his strength level down to avoid killing the innocent.
This did not mean that if an innocent got in the way of his agenda, that he wouldn't hurt them, as seen during that particular story.
The amount of power that it would've taken to put Cain down, would've resulted in the deaths of many of the mutants near the battle, which is why the Hulk opted to BFR Cain.
Cain's toughness far exceeds his level of strength, which is easily seen by taking note of the fact that it would be impossible for him to break his knuckles while punching at full force. This is in fact due to his enchanted toughness. I've already explained this to you, but it appears that your heads toughness may actually rival Cain's.
Yet, WWH was perfectly capable of denting his helmet (which is part of his enchantment). So, WWH is perfectly capable of overcoming said toughness (still with me so far?)
Yet, according to you, despite being provided concrete proof of WWH being able to damage and hence overcome the toughness portion of the enchantment, you argue that WWH what, COULDN'T damage Cain? He was already at that strength level, no? He is dialling his strength to simultaneously be able to damage but at the same time was not at the level to damage Cain?
And you say I am blind? El Oh El.
So the Hulk was deaf when Xavier mentions undermining the mansions foundation. Get your hat ready.
You don't get it? How is it a strawman? If he used the amount of power needed to defeat Cain, innocent lives would've been lost. Get your hat ready.
The pressure that the two of them were exerting threatened to destroy the portion of the property that the mutants were in. Did you miss that? This goes right back to him having to dial it back. Get your hat ready.
When he dented his helmet, he was still only using less that a percent of the power witnessed when he dropped his foot and nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard. He was dialed way back, but as seen later, could've exceeded that level with ease. What is it that you don't understand? Just sit in the corner.
Pointless debating with Dark about this topic, Stoic. He's hypocritical. Mongul knocked Superman out and after that Superman admitted he punched Mongul with his best that did absolutely nothing and he still will never admit Mongul and Superman are either equals or Mongul is > Superman. He pick and choose characters to debate against. We had a similar topic in the past when Superman and Black Adam fought and even though Superman admitted he couldn't move Black Adam (who was holding back) out of the city, Dark argument remained "Superman was holding back and Black Adam isn't Superman equal". It's like arguing against a brick wall with a Superman emblem implanted on it. Waste of energy.
Originally posted by carver9
Pointless debating with Dark about this topic, Stoic. He's hypocritical. Mongul knocked Superman out and after that Superman admitted he punched Mongul with his best that did absolutely nothing and he still will never admit Mongul and Superman are either equals or Mongul is > Superman. He pick and choose characters to debate against. We had a similar topic in the past when Superman and Black Adam fought and even though Superman admitted he couldn't move Black Adam (who was holding back) out of the city, Dark argument remained "Superman was holding back and Black Adam isn't Superman equal". It's like arguing against a brick wall with a Superman emblem implanted on it. Waste of energy.
Originally posted by carver9
Pointless debating with Dark about this topic, Stoic. He's hypocritical. Mongul knocked Superman out and after that Superman admitted he punched Mongul with his best that did absolutely nothing and he still will never admit Mongul and Superman are either equals or Mongul is > Superman. He pick and choose characters to debate against. We had a similar topic in the past when Superman and Black Adam fought and even though Superman admitted he couldn't move Black Adam (who was holding back) out of the city, Dark argument remained "Superman was holding back and Black Adam isn't Superman equal". It's like arguing against a brick wall with a Superman emblem implanted on it. Waste of energy.
lol.
Originally posted by Stoic
So the Hulk was deaf when Xavier mentions undermining the mansions foundation. Get your hat ready.You don't get it? How is it a strawman? If he used the amount of power needed to defeat Cain, innocent lives would've been lost. Get your hat ready.
The pressure that the two of them were exerting threatened to destroy the portion of the property that the mutants were in. Did you miss that? This goes right back to him having to dial it back. Get your hat ready.
When he dented his helmet, he was still only using less that a percent of the power witnessed when he dropped his foot and nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard. He was dialed way back, but as seen later, could've exceeded that level with ease. What is it that you don't understand? Just sit in the corner.
Sorry, I'd get it ready but you're already wearing it.
He heard Xavier alright. We can even read his words. CAIN, YOU'RE UNDERMINING....I guess that means CAIN, THE BOTH OF YOU TOGETHER ARE UNDERMINING, lol.
So in short, you're doing an asspull. Nowhere do you have any proof that breaking Cain's arms would've killed innocent mutants.
As for Carver, 😂
Originally posted by carver9
Pointless debating with Dark about this topic, Stoic. He's hypocritical. Mongul knocked Superman out and after that Superman admitted he punched Mongul with his best that did absolutely nothing and he still will never admit Mongul and Superman are either equals or Mongul is > Superman. He pick and choose characters to debate against. We had a similar topic in the past when Superman and Black Adam fought and even though Superman admitted he couldn't move Black Adam (who was holding back) out of the city, Dark argument remained "Superman was holding back and Black Adam isn't Superman equal". It's like arguing against a brick wall with a Superman emblem implanted on it. Waste of energy.
So when WWH said that Juggy was going to be dead, he wasn't trying to kill Juggy?
When Hulk said he was going to make ALL the mutants pay like Xavier, he didn't really mean it?
Just trying to see where you stand on this, before calling me a hypocrite. Also, please stay on topic, Mongul isn't even in this thread 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, I'd get it ready but you're already wearing it.He heard Xavier alright. We can even read his words. CAIN, YOU'RE UNDERMINING....I guess that means CAIN, THE BOTH OF YOU TOGETHER ARE UNDERMINING, lol.
So in short, you're doing an asspull. Nowhere do you have any proof that breaking Cain's arms would've killed innocent mutants.
As for Carver, 😂
The test of strength was only one scene during a fight that also had punches. Their test of strength began undermining the ground that they stood on. Why pretend that it was Cain alone? Keep the hat, you've worked long and hard to purchase it. Don't forget to sit in the corner.
Last warning Adam, surrender NOW...
Admits he is NOT holding back...
Admits he can't move Adam from the middle of the city after admitting he isn't holding back...
What Dark say "there's no proof Superman was going all out". 🤪🤪
Superman admits he is about to hit Mongul with his best punch. What Darj say "even though he said that, it doesn't mean it's his best punch" but he disects everything Hulk say. Hypocrite.