How strong is Hercules really by comparison.........

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So both Hulk and Superman were holding back against Black Adam and Juggernaut. Like I said before, glad this is over.

He didn't kill Colossus, yet still crippled him.

He didn't kill Mr Gideon, yet still crippled him.

Didn't kill She Hulk, but still one shot her.

Didn't kill Ares, but still one shot him.

Didn't kill Juggy but....wait he pushed him away

You're an idiot.

Did I miss anything?

Nope lol. It was pretty much decided on page 1 lol.

People are just underrating poor Juggynaut

Superman is as inconsistent as anyone else, a fact no comic-reader should be surprised about, but why was this even part of a discussion between Hulk and Juggernaut?

@dark...

You call me the idiot but can't even read a sentence. Where in my post that you quoted did I mention killing? Are you drunk again? You have switched stance so much in this debate that it's making you look desperate. I mentioned if Superman words were legit and you wrote a Bible that was simply no. You then mention Hulk statements and tried to use it against him while saying "they dedicated an entire story on Superman holding back". Sucka, they did the same for Hulk, even WWH.

You're inconsistent AND you're a hypocrite. Either Superman and Hulk was putting their ALL into trying to dispose or Juggernaut and Black Adam or they wasn't, hypocrite. Dark will say "but Superman always hold back", you psycho "Hulk always hold back as well". Dark will say "but Hulk was threatening Juggernaut", you psycho, Superman said ON PANEL he doesn't need to pull his punches against Black Adam and he said he was going to punch Adam with enough force to crack a moon. I need you to admit you're a hypocrite. Just say it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How so?

I specifically said Hulk wasn't killing - even prepared to BZ you on this lmao.

I was pointing out that Juggy was threatened with death by Hulk, because you and Stoic kept harping on about killing. So if YOU kept bringing up Hulk's words...well, so could I.

Then you start bringing Superman in here. Aren't YOU the one who deflects with 'lets keep it to the characters in the thread?'. I can easily post your quotes lol.

My post, which you REPLIED to, with 'And....'

Do you not know how conversations work, lmao.

Besides, throughout this thread, you've been clinging to 'Hulk wasn't there to kill' - when NOBODY said he was there to kill.

Originally posted by carver9
He just didn't try to kill them (as stated in my post). He states here that he didn't have time to fight Juggernaut...

Originally posted by carver9
Even though he was stronger than ever, his intentions were never to kill his opponent.

So my point is - you don't have to kill someone to go all out. Batman never kills, Superman never kills, hell, most heroes don't kill (and as Stilt points out, a lot of villains don't either). Doesn't mean we just handwave all the appearances we don't like away, does it?

Once more, for the extremely slow:

Just because Hulk didn't kill (and wasn't there to kill) Juggernaut, DOES NOT MEAN he was holding back his strength when locking hands with him.

My post, three weeks (ish) ago:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, you seem to ignore that WWH certainly didn't seem to hold back against She Hulk, Colossus, Talbot and Cain himself. Yet was unable to put Juggy down later. We saw he was absolutely fine with one shottimg She Hulk - his own cousin - why not one shot Juggy? Simple Q.

He was ok with crippling Colossus - why not cripple Juggy? Absolutely fine with smashing depowered Cain's face in, why not full powered?

Nothing about killing. If Mike Tyson cripples me and bites my ears off, is he holding back, just because he didn't end my life?

Originally posted by Booya_69
Supes admits it's nearly "impossible" to get him away from the city, so he goes to plan B - not holding back.

Death of Superman marked the first moment Superman ever hit anyone with the intent to kill them.

Do you think Superman was going "all out" against Adam, like he went "all out" against Doomsday?

And again, was he willing to allow the deaths of civilians around them? If the answer is "no", isn't that a restraint?

@Dark...

And my point in my posts even after mentioning killing is that Hulk was holding back. Got a question for ya since you want to mention grappling. Superman admitted he couldn't move Adam out of the middle of the city. Is he stating the truth? That Black Adam is too strong for him to move out of the city? Also, during a grapple, Black Adam slung Superman like a step child.

https://ibb.co/3hC9WKr

Is Black Adam too strong for Superman or does this just apply to Hulk? Let me know.

This you?

Originally posted by carver9
You should keep other threads out of this thread and stay on topic. If you don't believe in something, don't post it. This is trolling and you are a clinger. You cling to things and don't know how to move on. If you didn't believe in the Firelord vs Spiderman fight, then don't say it. Carebear.

Hello!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not killing =/= not being able to cripple. I said this from the start, YOU'RE obsessed with killing, my guy.

He didn't kill Colossus, yet still crippled him.

He didn't kill Mr Gideon, yet still crippled him.

Didn't kill She Hulk, but still one shot her.

Didn't kill Ares, but still one shot him.

Didn't kill Juggy but....wait he pushed him away

You're an idiot.

While Hulk may have been "holding back" in the sense that he wasn't willing to kill his opponents, he was still willing to KO/cripple them without hesitation. So the fact that Hulk didn't do the same to Juggy(and instead opted to BFR while he was distracted) heavily implies that he was incapable of doing so... At least in a timely manner.

I also see no reason to believe that Hulk would have been pulling his punches/strength against a guy like Juggernaut, given that he knew(due to their preexisting history) that Juggy could take it. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty obvious that if Hulk could have incapacitated Juggernaut in a similar way, he would have. Imo.

While Hulk may have been "holding back" in the sense that he wasn't willing to kill his opponents, he was still willing to KO/cripple them without hesitation. So the fact that Hulk didn't do the same to Juggy(and instead opted to BFR while he was distracted) heavily implies that he was incapable of doing so... At least in a timely manner.

I also see no reason to believe that Hulk would have been pulling his punches/strength against a guy like Juggernaut, given that he knew(due to their preexisting history) that Juggy could take it. /shrug

Further supported by writer interviews (I know! DS, what a hypocrite!!)

Personally I don't put much stock in these things, but some do, and I found it interesting all the same:

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
...more fights.

Juggernaut vs. the Hulk pt. 4:

I've debated (on here and other boards) many times about the context of this fight. Many believe that Juggernaut was using his unstoppability enchantment and the Hulk slowed him to a crawl (some believe he stopped him). I've always believed that it was purely a test of strength and I was proven correct. Thanks to my friend who goes by Cain Marko on his fan site, The writer of the WWH/ X-Men books Christos Gage confirms that it was indeed a test of strength and the Juggernaut matched (and even surpassed) the strongest Hulk to date.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5411579&postcount=36

Not sure what that link is supposed to link to, but am merely quoting.

Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty obvious that if Hulk could have incapacitated Juggernaut in a similar way, he would have. Imo.

While Hulk may have been "holding back" in the sense that he wasn't willing to kill his opponents, he was still willing to KO/cripple them without hesitation. So the fact that Hulk didn't do the same to Juggy(and instead opted to BFR while he was distracted) heavily implies that he was incapable of doing so... At least in a timely manner.

I also see no reason to believe that Hulk would have been pulling his punches/strength against a guy like Juggernaut, given that he knew(due to their preexisting history) that Juggy could take it. /shrug

It's basically no argument against Hulk holding back or not since he got much stronger after his fight against Jugs. Even after Juggernaut rebirth it was mentioned that no one on Earth except Sentry had the power to stop him.

Dark, we don't accept writer interviews or statements here.

Originally posted by carver9
Dark, we don't accept writer interviews or statements here.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆

If the interview cements/details what was actually shown in the comic itself, without contradicting anything, then it should be usable as supplementary evidence.

However, interviews in and of themselves cannot be used to contradict/alter/retcon published material or preexisting continuity. That's not how it works in this medium.

I guess it depends on what Galan thinks is being shown in those panels 🙂

If the interview doesn't contradict what's happening (i.e Juggy stalemating the strongest Hulk to date), then I guess we have to accept it. I know, I know! I was just as shocked as you when the mods posted that recently.

Alas..... 🙁

That interview didn't cement anything, lmao.

Wait so have you conceded the point that interviews are inadmissible? Or are you just moving the goalposts again lol

I think you conceded how relevant an interview is a while back when you completely ignored them in the past.

Yeah but mods have subsequently said they do, unfortunately. I was disgusted by it, but....forum mods and all that.

Only if it's concrete and nothing here is concrete. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Carver, what is the point you're trying to make and why you've derailed the thread for almost 30 pages?

The superhero code of conduct is really nothing new, you know?