Democrats just want a dictator

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Pretty crap in comparison to most of Europe though. Far over priced in comparison too. One of the biggest recent ironies in the UK with regards to rail is that the Conservative government are bringing rail franchise operators back into public ownership because the private sector has ran them terribly. This is something they campaigned against when the opposition Labour Party proposed it because it was a socialist policy. Now the Conservatives are enacting socialist renationalisation of private industry in order for them to run more profitably and efficiently. Lulz

I live in Doncaster, heart of the 'red wall,' we haven't gone conservative since the 1930s.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Didn't know it was a rule to use arguments someone else made, wouldn't this criteria also apply to the authors of the articles you sent ?

Those are studies to back up my argument ffs.

Its not a rule. But if you cant back up your arguments with facts/figures/studies, then anything you say is meaningless.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Those are studies to back up my argument ffs.

Its not a rule. But if you cant back up your arguments with facts/figures/studies, then anything you say is meaningless.

I mean I'm arguing via praxeological axioms, one them being people respond to incentives.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I mean I'm arguing via praxeological axioms, one them being people respond to incentives.

So let people die due to no healthcare… because… incentives ?

I think youre confusing healthy motivation with abuse.

Most people are sick due to poor choices. Look at the obesity epidemic. Maybe if they had to bear the consequences of their bad choices instead of free bariatric surgery they would eat healthier.

That argument would hold some water if the country with by far and away the most medical bankruptcies on the planet wasn't also one of the most obese.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That argument would hold some water if the country with by far and away the most medical bankruptcies on the planet wasn't also one of the most obese.

Do you think u.s. medical costs are expensive because doctors licensing requirements ? Or things of that nature ?

Artificially high drug costs are probably the main reason thanks to a plethora of shady practices.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Artificially high drug costs are probably the main reason thanks to a plethora of shady practices.

And we know 45 percent of the FDAs budget comes from big pharma. Again more proof of state interference, and not the free market.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Most people are sick due to poor choices. Look at the obesity epidemic. Maybe if they had to bear the consequences of their bad choices instead of free bariatric surgery they would eat healthier.

And Capitalism should share the responsibility for selling us all so much sugar and junk food for easy profits.

In either case healthcare should a human right. Not a goal to work towards. And not used as blackmail either to keep you at work in a job you hate.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Capitalism should share the responsibility for selling us all so much sugar and junk food for easy profits.

In either case healthcare should a human right. Not a goal to work towards. And not used as blackmail either to keep you at work in a job you hate.

The junk food and corn syrup in everything is due to protectionism and lobbyist, both impossible without the state.

Health care isn't a right, it's a privilege. This is why I ask people if they understand the difference between negative and positive rights.

You choose to work at jobs you hate, if you don't like it you can get amore skills.
We don't live in the Indian caste system or the north korean juche system that makes upward mobility literally impossible (in India you can marry up, so people constantly kidnap women who are in a higher caste. In NK you can only go down.)

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The junk food and corn syrup in everything is due to protectionism and lobbyist, both impossible without the state.

Health care isn't a right, it's a privilege. This is why I ask people if they understand the difference between negative and positive rights.

You choose to work at jobs you hate, if you don't like it you can get amore skills.
We don't live in the Indian caste system or the north korean juche system that makes upward mobility literally impossible (in India you can marry up, so people constantly kidnap women who are in a higher caste. In NK you can only go down.)

No sugar and junk food is sold for profits. For Capitalism.

But That only gives more people Health problems and then corporations can blackmail them into keeping a job they hate.

Yeah Healthcare should absolutely be a basic human right.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The junk food and corn syrup in everything is due to protectionism and lobbyist, both impossible without the state.

Health care isn't a right, it's a privilege. This is why I ask people if they understand the difference between negative and positive rights.

You choose to work at jobs you hate, if you don't like it you can get amore skills.
We don't live in the Indian caste system or the north korean juche system that makes upward mobility literally impossible (in India you can marry up, so people constantly kidnap women who are in a higher caste. In NK you can only go down.)

For one many good paying jobs are still locked behind college debt. Secondly if the person is a single parent it's much harder to get time to go find those new skills or new jobs. There are plenty of other reasons as well.

Finally healthcare in this day and age is most definitely a right. It may have been a privilege at some point but it isn't anymore.

Everyone deserves to have access to affordable decent healthcare. Anyone who says otherwise is a jackass.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No sugar and junk food is sold for profits. For Capitalism.

But That only gives more people Health problems and then corporations can blackmail them into keeping a job they hate.

Yeah Healthcare should absolutely be a basic human right.

Even worse, due to diabetes diet coke became a thing and because it makes people more hungry and less active it became very popular for FastFood Corp. add that to the bullshit that sugar causes obesity (it doesn't) then comes the sugar tax so American taxes go to growing too much corn to be made into corn syrup, then American taxes go to paying more to drink those drinks. Talk about a ****ed up system.

Btw, Europeans consume just as much sugar as Americans (sometimes more) but we don't consume high amounts of greasy food and drive everywhere because everything's in walking distance.

Originally posted by Blakemore
ilikecomics is right that American taxes go to preserving corn and wheat farms for corn syrup, cornbread, bread and food for beef and chicken, which is usually sold in fast food chains. It's the American dream.

Even worse, due to diabetes diet coke became a thing and because it makes people more hungry and less active it became very popular for FastFood Corp. add that to the bullshit that sugar causes obesity (it doesn't) then comes the sugar tax so American taxes go to growing too much corn to be made into corn syrup, then American taxes go to paying more to drink those drinks. Talk about a ****ed up system.

Btw, Europeans consume just as much sugar as Americans (sometimes more) but we don't consume high amounts of greasy food and drive everywhere because everything's in walking distance.

Gotta disagree with a couple of things. Diet drinks really arent that bad. Im always on them when slimming down. They do their intended job.

Also sugar is definitely a cause of obesity. Sure you can count calories and limit your sugar intake. But sugar rarely satisfies you and its an easy way to drown down calories.

Isn't aspartame in diet pops as bad as sugar?

Originally posted by Klaw
Isn't aspartame in diet pops as bad as sugar?

In doesnt make you out on weight like sugar does.

I have tons of diet 7 up when slimming down. Also has aspartame.

Originally posted by Newjak
This spoken like a person whose belief's don't live in the real world.

For one many good paying jobs are still locked behind college debt. Secondly if the person is a single parent it's much harder to get time to go find those new skills or new jobs. There are plenty of other reasons as well.

Finally healthcare in this day and age is most definitely a right. It may have been a privilege at some point but it isn't anymore.

Everyone deserves to have access to affordable decent healthcare. Anyone who says otherwise is a jackass.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
In doesnt make you out on weight like sugar does.

I have tons of diet 7 up when slimming down. Also has aspartame.

Aside from weight, I thought aspartame was bad for you health wise?

Originally posted by Klaw
Isn't aspartame in diet pops as bad as sugar?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Gotta disagree with a couple of things. Diet drinks really arent that bad. Im always on them when slimming down. They do their intended job.

Also sugar is definitely a cause of obesity. Sure you can count calories and limit your sugar intake. But sugar rarely satisfies you and its an easy way to drown down calories.

I'm going to go chemistry nerd here, hold on.

🤓 There we go.

Common table sugar, honey, maple syrup, corn syrup, brown sugar, treacle, etc. all contain the disaccharide "sucrose," which is a molecule of the monosaccharides "glucose" and "fructose." Glucose is our primary source of fuel as it reacts with oxygen, producing lots of energy, water and carbon dioxide. Fructose is known as the "back up sugar" which is stored in the liver as a reserve when your glucose levels get low. Scientists and doctors have been arguing about whether fructose is good or bad for decades, but the science is clear. Fructose is only used when you have low glucose, by consuming both at the same time, the fructose turns into bubbly fat. Until someone remembered that this doesn't happen when consuming lots of fruit (fructose, fruit sugar) so what's going on? It turns out, the fibre in the fruit slows down the absorption of fructose and prevents it from turning into fat. I challenge anyone to tell me they know someone who ate a lot of fruit and turned fat from it.

Sugary drinks are fine, HFCS is fine, just make sure you consume lots of fibre with it.

Not only that, sugar gives you energy and hydrates you, why would I drink carbonated coloured artificially sweetened crap that will make me more hungry and less active? I'd rather have water, juice or milk.

Almost every fast food place I go to sells mostly diet soda because of this propoganda. I mean what's the point? Calories: 0, Nutrition: 0, Hunger satisfaction: -3000

Ever see that fat guy who orders a big mac meal with extra sides and a diet coke, only to then buy a 99p burger with his receipt after he's finished? I have.

Honestly, diet coke is just a scam to make you eat more.