Originally posted by ilikecomics
I posted a John stossel video that proved my claim, so no it wasn't.The reason why there's less poverty is because poverty is taxed !
Here's the video again, it's very short.
https://youtu.be/1i9FQ834yFc
Holy shit. Don't waste my time again with Right Wing youtube videos in place of facts and coherent arguments.
Nothing there has addressed why Sweden has less poverty than the USA. Or the fact that they do this despite having free Healthcare for all.
Don't troll like Ethneo does with links to biased videos and twitter posts. Bring a coherent arguments, actual rebuttals to the points others are making and back up your arguments with Facts and Legitimate sources.
I mean jeez you don't see me or Whirly, Robtard or jaden just posting Young Turk videos and AOC tweets as some kind of argument or proof. So why do you guys do it?
Try actual debating !
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Holy shit. Don't waste my time again with Right Wing youtube videos in place of facts and coherent arguments.Nothing there has addressed why Sweden has less poverty than the USA. Or the fact that they do this despite having free Healthcare for all.
Don't troll like Ethneo does with links to biased videos and twitter posts. Bring a coherent arguments, actual rebuttals to the points others are making and back up your arguments with Facts and Legitimate sources.
I mean jeez you don't see me or Whirly, Robtard or jaden just posting Young Turk videos and AOC tweets as some kind of argument or proof. So why do you guys do it?
Try actual debating !
Stossel is pretty fair, for example he's pro vaccine, so I didn't realize he was such a charged figure.
Do you think Jonah norberg is also a radical right wing figure ? Because that's who stossel interviews and who says that people who make under 45k in Sweden have the heaviest tax burden. Do you dispute this claim ?
Originally posted by cdtm
And...?All I'm reading from this is that we should argue what constitutes a "fair share".
Just because a person with a billion dollars can easily afford 90 percent of their income, while a poor person can barely make a fraction of that, would not necessarily be considered "fair" by some, yet very fair by others.
Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily believe fairness has any relation to ability to pay. Just because you're sitting on a pile of Dragon gold doesn't mean you are obligated to use that money for a greater good.
That's nice. My point was about disingenuous arguments though.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
You don't healthcare is a service ? I think goods and services are analogous, why wouldn't they be ?
Your argument was basically that free healthcare encourages people to be less productive. Not that it would dissuade people from them buying their own private healthcare.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Stossel is pretty fair, for example he's pro vaccine, so I didn't realize he was such a charged figure.Do you think Jonah norberg is also a radical right wing figure ? Because that's who stossel interviews and who says that people who make under 45k in Sweden have the heaviest tax burden. Do you dispute this claim ?
Why do I even need to address his claims ? Am I debating him on any issue ?
You need to respond to the fact that Sweden has free healthcare AND substantial less poverty than the USA. Ergo free healthcare works.
Oh and studies also prove that benefits in general lead to better health and dont make people lazy:
https://www.newsweek.com/welfare-states-encourage-people-want-work-study-reveals-318729?amp=1
Originally posted by ilikecomics
My argument is that if you give people free shit they will have a Lower incentive to work.
Which evidently isn't the case with free healthcare as 8 of the top 10 countries with the highest employment rates (and thus most productive populace) are countries with the best free healthcare.
Perhaps not bothering addressing your chronic illness for fear of medical bankruptcy doesn't make you the most productive person you can be.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why do I even need to address his claims ? Am I debating him on any issue ?You need to respond to the fact that Sweden has free healthcare AND substantial less poverty than the USA. Ergo free healthcare works.
Oh and studies also prove that benefits in general lead to better health and dont make people lazy:
https://www.newsweek.com/welfare-states-encourage-people-want-work-study-reveals-318729?amp=1
Didn't know it was a rule to use arguments someone else made, wouldn't this criteria also apply to the authors of the articles you sent ?
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Which evidently isn't the case with free healthcare as 8 of the top 10 countries with the highest employment rates (and thus most productive populace) are countries with the best free healthcare.Perhaps not bothering addressing your chronic illness for fear of medical bankruptcy doesn't make you the most productive person you can be.
In the case of sweden it's because they're more free market than America, anywhere you have a freer market will have higher employment.