White House considering payments of 450K to Illegal Immigrants

Originally posted by Robtard
That's not how this works. Their rights have to be violated first (eg like having their children taken away and lost), then they can sue and maybe settle for some money.

I'm not talking about that.

And you still ignore that they need to be checked, that the check takes time; and that there are laws in place preventing children from being locked up for an extended period of time.

You are not arguing in good faith. Just say you think we should have open borders and that migrants should have free passage without being burdened by an investigation (The same way gun owners suffer a background check)

That was in response to Ethneo's post, as could be seen by his comments and my reply, self important guy 👆

So let me get this straight. Biden is suggesting paying damages to immigrants who were forcibly removed from their families and people have a problem with this?

Originally posted by Newjak
So let me get this straight. Biden is suggesting paying damages to immigrants who were forcibly removed from their families and people have a problem with this?

They took the risk's bringing their children across the border, and border patrol had an obligation to vet them.

So yes, I have a problem with idiot parents being compensated for taking a stupid risk, and the US being held accountable for following its own rules.

Originally posted by cdtm
They took the risk's bringing their children across the border, and border patrol had an obligation to vet them.

So yes, I have a problem with idiot parents being compensated for taking a stupid risk, and the US being held accountable for following its own rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
You don't have an actual argument, you're lying and spinning like usual.

Family separation under the Trump administration – a timeline

"Prior to the Trump administration, families were generally paroled into the country to await their immigration cases or detained together." -snip

March 3, 2017 – [b]The Trump administration is considering a proposal to begin separating children from their mothers at the border as a way to deter future migrants, Reuters reports. The policy would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they await asylum hearings or contest deportation. -snip

It just gets worse from there... [/B]

^^^More money the US has to payout because of Trump's poorly thought out draconian polices...

Originally posted by Robtard
^^^More money the US has to payout because of Trump's poorly thought out draconian polices...

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Why?

They aren't victims here.

Look, I asked Rob three times and he ignored me, so I'll ask you, because even if you vehemently disagree you always speak honestly.

What was the wrong that was done, and how could the wrong have been avoided?

The way I see it, the kids weren't "ripped from their parents", they were separated as part of the vetting process. This is because by law, kid CAN NOT BE LOCKED UP.

So where does that leave us? Letting the parents off the hook?

I mean, I feel for them, but I don't see a wrong that wouldn't have been avoided bad they not went the coyote route. That was THEIR DECISION. Them being separated was tragic, I absolutely agree with that.

But they did make a decision to take a chance.

They are the victims, because they were victimized by having their rights (and children) taken away. Rant all you like, but illegal immigrants have rights under the US Constitution.

I know you Trumper Rightist like to pretend that they don't.

Originally posted by cdtm
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Why?

They aren't victims here.

Look, I asked Rob three times and he ignored me, so I'll ask you, because even if you vehemently disagree you always speak honestly.

What was the wrong that was done, and how could the wrong have been avoided?

The way I see it, the kids weren't "ripped from their parents", they were separated as part of the vetting process. This is because by law, kid CAN NOT BE LOCKED UP.

So where does that leave us? Letting the parents off the hook?

I mean, I feel for them, but I don't see a wrong that wouldn't have been avoided bad they not went the coyote route. That was THEIR DECISION. Them being separated was tragic, I absolutely agree with that.

But they did make a decision to take a chance.

At the end of the day though I can't respect people like yourself that use some vague sense of higher morality to justify stupidity like what happened under Trump.

In this instance Biden is doing the right thing by compensating families that were hurt by U.S. policies.

At the end of the day they are human beings after all.

Originally posted by Newjak
Correction Trump made a change that got families torn apart that otherwise wouldn't have. To the point where it was a national/international emergency.

At the end of the day though I can't respect people like yourself that use some vague sense of higher morality to justify stupidity like what happened under Trump.

In this instance Biden is doing the right thing by compensating families that were hurt by U.S. policies.

At the end of the day they are human beings after all.

Was Trumps zero policy the reason?

So what was it like before zero policy? Were kids and parents being separated pre Trump?

It's often said many were deported under Obama. What changed under Trump, that caused family separations?

Originally posted by Newjak
So let me get this straight. Biden is suggesting paying damages to immigrants who were forcibly removed from their families and people have a problem with this?

Yes. Of course. This money would be better spent on helping out the many American citizens that have been ****ed over rather than illegal immigrants.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Of course. This money would be better spent on helping out the many American citizens that have been ****ed over rather than illegal immigrants.

Not only that.

What about the Americans that have been ****ed over by Illegal Immigration?

Democrats aren't mad, they're happy about it.

Then make it happen!

This is only laughable because the lack of knowledge and how these things work, you separate men from woman and adults from kids. The rest of the children can play as only kids do.

Originally posted by Klaw
Then make it happen!

Originally posted by cdtm
Was Trumps zero policy the reason?

So what was it like before zero policy? Were kids and parents being separated pre Trump?

It's often said many were deported under Obama. What changed under Trump, that caused family separations?

He made crossing the border a felony which got many kids taken from their parents that. as Robtard mentioned, wouldn't have before.

Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Of course. This money would be better spent on helping out the many American citizens that have been ****ed over rather than illegal immigrants.

The the other problem here is you assume it has to be either or. That's not true and the Republicans aren't doing anything productive to fix this mess anyways.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes Trump's zero policy is the issue.

He made crossing the border a felony which got many kids taken from their parents that. as Robtard mentioned, wouldn't have before.

I might even reveal all my secrets if I enjoy our time together.