Originally posted by Sin I AM
How come he's never done that to Namor
It’s a new technology for one, and plot is greater than all characters combined. PIS happens? Ironman is OP in certain situations, as described in other posts concerning the topic. Do you agree, or is there something that you’ve seen that is contrary to these points? PIS happens in a comic setting, but changes in a forum match up with a full capacity clause in place.
Originally posted by Stoic
Tony has onboard algorithms within his armor”s programming though. This was able to allow him the ability to tell what an opponent will do before they do it. He could parry Arthur’s moves, he has force fields capable of blunting the force of a nuke. If this were a prep fight, it would be a one sided stomp in Tony’s favor. This is Ironman not Black Manta brother.
That tech worked only because he was intimately familiar with Cap and recorded his moves.
Arthur is a huge unknown, as he's from a different comic company.
Of course, Tony doesn't need such tech for Aquaman.
Originally posted by Sin I AMTo my knowledge he'd need prep, but in Namor's case he knows him (meaning Tony could've easily prepped against Namor's fighting style) . . . Iron Man just fights dumb and doesn't use his versatility to his advantage like he could.
How come he's never done that to Namor
Stoic is coming up with weird and outlandish ways for Iron Man to win here, but honestly Iron Man shouldn't need all of that in most cases. Iron Man could use his potent magnetism to take Aquaman's trident (maybe even use it for himself against Arthur) and just wear him down with hot blasts + solid punches. Aquaman might have the edge in a pure fist fight, but if Iron Man can use heat, flight, and his physicals combined without the danger of being stabbed by the trident he should have this in the bag even if he fights normally, unless we use low-end durability for Iron Man.
Originally posted by Stoic
It’s a new technology for one, and plot is greater than all characters combined. PIS happens? Ironman is OP in certain situations, as described in other posts concerning the topic. Do you agree, or is there something that you’ve seen that is contrary to these points? PIS happens in a comic setting, but changes in a forum match up with a full capacity clause in place.
Pretty much what stilt said... I also interpret forum rules as even though he fights without pis he still fights in character and rarely does he use every tool in his arsenal. Tony loses to punch and blast like everyone else
Originally posted by FlawlessFridge
To my knowledge he'd need prep, but in Namor's case he knows him (meaning Tony could've easily prepped against Namor's fighting style) . . . Iron Man just fights dumb and doesn't use his versatility to his advantage like he could.Stoic is coming up with weird and outlandish ways for Iron Man to win here, but honestly Iron Man shouldn't need all of that in most cases. Iron Man could use his potent magnetism to take Aquaman's trident (maybe even use it for himself against Arthur) and just wear him down with hot blasts + solid punches. Aquaman might have the edge in a pure fist fight, but if Iron Man can use heat, flight, and his physicals combined without the danger of being stabbed by the trident he should have this in the bag even if he fights normally, unless we use low-end durability for Iron Man.
Heat does not work all that well against Arthur though. Why is it outlandish? You ever think that you may be limiting Tony’s abilities because you do not believe that he has the ability to think outside of the box? Tony has used tech to take down far more complex characters than Namur. You’re confusing PIS with a forum battle. Tony has performed the very same feats that I’ve mentioned. Before discrediting, perhaps you should pay attention to the firings that I mentioned.
Heat does not work all that well against Arthur though. Why is it outlandish? You ever think that you may be limiting Tony’s abilities because you do not believe that he has the ability to think outside of the box? Tony has used tech to take down far more complex characters than Namur. You’re confusing PIS with a forum battle. Tony has performed the very same feats that I’ve mentioned. Before discrediting, perhaps you should pay attention to the firings that I mentioned.
You're relying ona very out of character strategy for Tony to use here, if anything that would imply Iron Man should lose the majority.
Although I personally don't think he would. Iron Man's heat won't effect Aquaman as much as it would Namor, but it's strong enough to hurt him which should be enough to give him a win with a somewhat In-character strategy that I described before:
"Iron Man could use his potent magnetism to take Aquaman's trident (maybe even use it for himself against Arthur) and just wear him down with hot blasts + solid punches. Aquaman might have the edge in a pure fist fight, but if Iron Man can use heat, flight, and his physicals combined without the danger of being stabbed by the trident he should have this in the bag even if he fights normally, unless we use low-end durability for Iron Man." It wouldn't be an EASY win, but I think Iron Man should ultimately come out on top in this scenario.
Originally posted by FlawlessFridge
You're relying ona very out of character strategy for Tony to use here, if anything that would imply Iron Man should lose the majority.Although I personally don't think he would. Iron Man's heat won't effect Aquaman as much as it would Namor, but it's strong enough to hurt him which should be enough to give him a win with a somewhat In-character strategy that I described before:
"Iron Man could use his potent magnetism to take Aquaman's trident (maybe even use it for himself against Arthur) and just wear him down with hot blasts + solid punches. Aquaman might have the edge in a pure fist fight, but if Iron Man can use heat, flight, and his physicals combined without the danger of being stabbed by the trident he should have this in the bag even if he fights normally, unless we use low-end durability for Iron Man." It wouldn't be an EASY win, but I think Iron Man should ultimately come out on top in this scenario.
Have you read all of the Armor Wars? Tony can be very versatile depending on the writer. My claims aren’t as outlandish as you may believe. Just saying.
Originally posted by StoicTony has onboard algorithms within his armor”s programming though. This was able to allow him the ability to tell what an opponent will do before they do it. He could parry Arthur’s moves, he has force fields capable of blunting the force of a nuke. If this were a prep fight, it would be a one sided stomp in Tony’s favor. This is Ironman not Black Manta brother.
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Uhm yeah that’s because it was recording Captain America’s fighting patterns over the years.. Like Stilt said Aquaman is an unknown to Ironman.
That forcefield thing doesn’t really sound impressive if nuke level is where your placing it at.
Black Manta doesn’t really even do well against Aquaman, without taking hostages, or Aquaman being distracted in some way or another.
Originally posted by FlawlessFridgethe way you use lol, reminds me of an old poster. But I'm sure you're not Surtur... 😉 lol!
Iron Man's fighting style is a case of CIS (Character induced stupidity) not PIS, which means it's his own fault that he doesn't pull out all of his best tricks when he should lol.
Originally posted by FlawlessFridge
Iron Man's fighting style is a case of CIS (Character induced stupidity) not PIS, which means it's his own fault that he doesn't pull out all of his best tricks when he should lol.
Then why is he brilliant in complex situations, only to turn around and fumble in less complex ones? We see things how we’d like, but in case you missed it, different writers portray characters differently. Arthur is not Namor, which has its pluses and it’s negatives. Arthur for one isn’t quite as strong as Namor, they both have varying degrees of resistances, as well as differing durability levels. Someone mentioned that he could simply snatch the trident out of Arthur’s hands by using magnetism. If that works it does, but it doesn’t remove the vast tech advantage that he does have.
Miles Morales Spider-Man was recently beaten and kidnapped by tech that would’ve likely been effective against most bricks, and Tony casually went in and freed Miles. Black Manta wouldn’t have been close to doing the same. Shit, the Ghost would probably be to much for Black Manta.
According to forum rules, I believe that they both begin with common knowledge of each other. I will stop pushing the idea that Tony could tap deeply into that common knowledge via cyberspace to discover how Arthur fights, because Stilt is right, Tony shouldn’t need to go that far to win this.
Common knowledge only applies to what the public of their respective earths know of them.
In Aquamans case?
Seems like they don't know much.
Even 'tapping into cyberspace' isn't the win here. Forum matches are in a neutral earth, whilst there are features which enable powers (so in this neutral earth, the power cosmic exists as does magic as does the Speed Force etcetc), it's not as if there's an internet for Tony to link into any more than there is a convenient colony of gigantic sea monsters Arthur can call on.
Originally posted by FlawlessFridgeNotice how I claimed that 616 Iron Man has no quantifiable feats above 200 tons.
lmfao that just sounds like you don’t know his feats, old Iron man had some very good quantifiable feats and even Ultimate Iron Man is easily 100,000+ tonner. Modern 616 Iron Man probably looks weak at times, I'll give you that but the classic version had feats easily exceeding 500 tons. Even in retellings of Golden Avenger armor Iron Man could do 1,000+.All of that's not even getting to his crazy durability feats like tanking West Coast obliterating destruction on two occasions (one modern instance in his deep-space armor, the other was him tanking a weakened blast from IG Thanos in his Neo-Classic armor), or his striking that was enough to send Iron Clad flying miles with a repulsor boosted punch, or cracking an entire man-made island with a single holding back punch in order to not kill everyone along with the classic armor having a statement saying that it knock model 1 six states away. Both those things ultimately matter more than some lifting strength, which he has also shown to have multiple times even in modern armors.
Most importantly though, Iron Man being able to get to Hulk, Thor, and Hercules levels of strength for a few seconds was literally a stated ability by classic Iron Man in like "THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (1963) _ANNUAL 15" so it's backed up by an official statement and the feats I just listed. . . Really not a good comparison to Spider-Man beating Hulk or Firelord when Iron Man has legit amp he can use with context.
Your assumptions of these characters' strength seems to come more from the guidebooks rather than the actual upper limit of their feats. Guidebooks are a good way to gauge where most of these characters are In-universe, but they shouldn't be taken at face-value. Spider-Man himself, even managed to hold a building before if I recall correctly. Matter of fact it's probably consistent for him to go a little over his limits when he pushes himself, not that it should bring him to Firelord levels (that was just plain Plot induced stupidity) but these characters limits aren't quite as low as you say. But again it wouldn't even matter if Tony didn't have quantifiable feats considering Iron Man legit can amp himself meaning his "normal" armor strength limit no longer applies lol