His suit gets claims of being better with each new model but in reality Ironman stays in the same tier.. Ironman has also suggested Namor was his physical superior and had to resort to weakness exploitation in order to ever beat him and he’s also not too long ago suggest Carol in base was his better as well.
I’d argue Namor and Aquaman are peers and Aquaman is above a Base Carol Danvers.
The main upgrades are speed and stamina focused as far as Iron Man goes. Aquaman probably scales to be stronger in general, maybe not stronger than every armor though. Iron Man ranges from average mid-tier to like low-high/herald tier. It kinda depends on the armor he has since some could hold up way better than others assuming he fights normally. The newer armors besides the most recent model 70 are pretty meh lately. Assuming he has Model 70 here, he can tank Aquaman's normal hits just fine and can definitely wear him down if need be. CIS aside, Tony could take the trident via magnetism lol
Namor is an unexplainably inconsistent mess so not gonna comment on him. Guy could look Hulk or Thor level in one moment, and then be fodder in the next comic. Hard to say he scales over every armor.
Originally posted by Stoic
Iron Man has matched the Hulk. This is something that Arthur wouldn’t be able to do, and that was while wearing a far older suit.
Matching someone doesn't mean you have their forum strength (or even close to it).
Hulk has always contended with beings that were in the 75-200 ton range. That's how comics work. Comic physics.
I’m not claiming Namor scales over every Ironman armor but the vast majority of instances they came to blows Stark either gets manhandled or has exploit his heat or pollution weakness. I feel like that’s pretty telling on how writers view the physicals between the two..
All Namor…
https://imgur.com/gallery/dS6Bdp7
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What about Carol Danvers?
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There’s that time with Hulk as well..
https://imgur.com/gallery/b7a3zp5
Or that other time in Original Sin where Hulk oneshotted the Model42 armor that was in a Hulkbuster
Not seeing why anyone would try to logically scale Ironman to Hulk lol..
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was Hulk at full capacity then, Stoic?
Yes he was. That was the Savage Hulk if you recall, or that is the citing that I was thinking of. Iron Man overloaded his armor to take him down. However, as we both know, the Savage Hulk has/had dynamic strength like most of the Hulk Incarnations do. The level that he attained at that exact moment was not great enough to resist being KO’d by Tony. Is Arthur capable of hitting him that hard with his fists? Not even Thor has one shot the Hulk if we were willing to compare.
Originally posted by BroomShroomiron man's strength inconsistencies depend less on the armour and more on the writer and whose book he is in.
The main upgrades are speed and stamina focused as far as Iron Man goes. Aquaman probably scales to be stronger in general, maybe not stronger than every armor though. Iron Man ranges from average mid-tier to like low-high/herald tier. It kinda depends on the armor he has since some could hold up way better than others assuming he fights normally. The newer armors besides the most recent model 70 are pretty meh lately. Assuming he has Model 70 here, he can tank Aquaman's normal hits just fine and can definitely wear him down if need be. CIS aside, Tony could take the trident via magnetism lolNamor is an unexplainably inconsistent mess so not gonna comment on him. Guy could look Hulk or Thor level in one moment, and then be fodder in the next comic. Hard to say he scales over every armor.
Arthur has a whole other form of being able to hit Ironman which doesn’t have to be blunt force thanks to the trident, and if we use scaling there was the Kryptonian God who was amped at the time the trident went straight through. I’d argue scaling for the trident is more concrete and consistent than you’d find for armors.
Hydrokinesis that took out several ancient Kryptonians who at that point Barry was hurting himself fighting and were cracking through Hal’s constructs very effortlessly. Ironman’s blunt force like Oldmanwhirly said is pretty inconsistent as well and it is dependent on the writer. Captain America has tore through the density of armors Stark has work and so has Captain Marvel. Under Bendis she busted through what the writer suggested was his strongest Hulk Buster and the whole point of those suits is to physically operate at another level.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!You somewhat have a point, modern writers definitely tend to have lower view of him compared to the older ones where he used to be a solidified powerhouse. From the classic days to Bleeding Edge/Extremis (those armors came up around the time he was getting newfound movie success) he could definitely hold his own for the most part. Extremis had a few moments where it jobbed hard AF, but it also had moments that would solidify it as one of the stronger characters. Those Bendis and Slott armors were terrible jobbers that you could hardly pick out any notable feats from, which is a considerable difference compared to Bleeding Edge or most of his previous armors even if they did operate around the same tier. Cantwell's model 70 has been solid on the other hand. As long he stays away from Carol Danvers, it just might end up being one of the best lmfao. Model 70 is based off old armors so it makes sense why it comes off as more impressive than whatever jobber armors and buster suits he had before that. Old comic Iron Man was more important to the Marvel universe, modern Iron Man tends to just be used to make cringe buster suits, be an out of character jerk, or have his technology embarrassingly destroyed to make other characters look better.
iron man's strength inconsistencies depend less on the armour and more on the writer and whose book he is in.
Originally posted by MrMind
namor is much stronger than aquaman for sure
No he isn't. They are peers. Aquaman has gotten a strength push lately. Tectonic plates and others.
Namor has consistently contended with Thing who is in the 100-300 the range.
Namor in average may be slightly stronger but not by much.
@Stoic
Iron Man actually beat Mindless Hulk I'm pretty sure. He also used a similar maneuver to dent Classic Graviton's shields when Thor couldn't, briefly match Count Nefaria's strength, and give Namor the "mightiest blows he has ever felt". The punch he used on Hulk is probably stronger than all of those barring the Count Nefaria instance considering he focused all of his energy into one punch and it put Stark into a coma after he hit Hulk. When Iron Man disables his safety protocols, he seems to gain potentially teambuster levels of strength for a few seconds.
lol with that being said . . . You can't really use that to scale Iron Man off of Hulk's strength, but it is a notable ability that he could use to finish pretty much any enemy. I doubt he'd need to resort to something like that for Aquaman, unless this was maybe a pure fist fight.
Originally posted by FlawlessFridge
@Stoic
Iron Man actually beat Mindless Hulk I'm pretty sure. He also used a similar maneuver to dent Classic Graviton's shields when Thor couldn't, briefly match Count Nefaria's strength, and give Namor the "mightiest blows he has ever felt". The punch he used on Hulk is probably stronger than all of those barring the Count Nefaria instance considering he focused all of his energy into one punch and it put Stark into a coma after he hit Hulk. When Iron Man disables his safety protocols, he seems to gain potentially teambuster levels of strength for a few seconds.lol with that being said . . . You can't really use that to scale Iron Man off of Hulk's strength, but it is a notable ability that he could use to finish pretty much any enemy. I doubt he'd need to resort to something like that for Aquaman, unless this was maybe a pure fist fight.
Iron Man has no outside quantifiable feats above 200 tons.
ABC logic is faulty because of inconsistencies due to plot. He'll Cap and Spider-Man koed the Hulk and Spider-Man koed firelord.
You can create a poll on how strong Iron Man is (normal armor).
How much can he lift?
100-200 tons?
200-500 tons?
500-1000 tons?
I guarantee you that the vast majority would go with 100-200 tons and then 200-500 tons.
Originally posted by h1a8
Iron Man has no outside quantifiable feats above 200 tons.
ABC logic is faulty because of inconsistencies due to plot. He'll Cap and Spider-Man koed the Hulk and Spider-Man koed firelord.You can create a poll on how strong Iron Man is (normal armor).
How much can he lift?
100-200 tons?
200-500 tons?
500-1000 tons?
I guarantee you that the vast majority would go with 100-200 tons and then 200-500 tons.
All of that's not even getting to his crazy durability feats like tanking West Coast obliterating destruction on two occasions (one modern instance in his deep-space armor, the other was him tanking a weakened blast from IG Thanos in his Neo-Classic armor), or his striking that was enough to send Iron Clad flying miles with a repulsor boosted punch, or cracking an entire man-made island with a single holding back punch in order to not kill everyone along with the classic armor having a statement saying that it knock model 1 six states away. Both those things ultimately matter more than some lifting strength, which he has also shown to have multiple times even in modern armors.
Most importantly though, Iron Man being able to get to Hulk, Thor, and Hercules levels of strength for a few seconds was literally a stated ability by classic Iron Man in like "THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (1963) _ANNUAL 15" so it's backed up by an official statement and the feats I just listed. . . Really not a good comparison to Spider-Man beating Hulk or Firelord when Iron Man has legit amp he can use with context.
Your assumptions of these characters' strength seems to come more from the guidebooks rather than the actual upper limit of their feats. Guidebooks are a good way to gauge where most of these characters are In-universe, but they shouldn't be taken at face-value. Spider-Man himself, even managed to hold a building before if I recall correctly. Matter of fact it's probably consistent for him to go a little over his limits when he pushes himself, not that it should bring him to Firelord levels (that was just plain Plot induced stupidity) but these characters limits aren't quite as low as you say. But again it wouldn't even matter if Tony didn't have quantifiable feats considering Iron Man legit can amp himself meaning his "normal" armor strength limit no longer applies lol
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Arthur has a whole other form of being able to hit Ironman which doesn’t have to be blunt force thanks to the trident, and if we use scaling there was the Kryptonian God who was amped at the time the trident went straight through. I’d argue scaling for the trident is more concrete and consistent than you’d find for armors.Hydrokinesis that took out several ancient Kryptonians who at that point Barry was hurting himself fighting and were cracking through Hal’s constructs very effortlessly. Ironman’s blunt force like Oldmanwhirly said is pretty inconsistent as well and it is dependent on the writer. Captain America has tore through the density of armors Stark has work and so has Captain Marvel. Under Bendis she busted through what the writer suggested was his strongest Hulk Buster and the whole point of those suits is to physically operate at another level.
Tony has onboard algorithms within his armor”s programming though. This was able to allow him the ability to tell what an opponent will do before they do it. He could parry Arthur’s moves, he has force fields capable of blunting the force of a nuke. If this were a prep fight, it would be a one sided stomp in Tony’s favor. This is Ironman not Black Manta brother.
Originally posted by Stoic
Tony has onboard algorithms within his armor”s programming though. This was able to allow him the ability to tell what an opponent will do before they do it. He could parry Arthur’s moves, he has force fields capable of blunting the force of a nuke. If this were a prep fight, it would be a one sided stomp in Tony’s favor. This is Ironman not Black Manta brother.
How come he's never done that to Namor