Re: Most powerful person byrne era Superman can take down.
Originally posted by lawest9
Byrne era Superman is one of the weaker version of Supes, who is the most powerful person/being he can defeat from DC or Marvel?
You mean strictly Byrne's run, or before his first power up? If the later, you include feats and showings that canonically take place during that period but were published after?
Originally posted by lawest9
Before DOS Doomsday.
There was a retake on DOS Doomsday in Action Comics. Superman didn't appear to be any more successful against him than he was during the original story encounters. It actually made me believe that Superman was always as powerful as he is presently. That being said, no single Herald level character has a hope of beating him, because he has always been as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
Originally posted by Stoic
There was a retake on DOS Doomsday in Action Comics. Superman didn't appear to be any more successful against him than he was during the original story encounters. It actually made me believe that Superman was always as powerful as he is presently. That being said, no single Herald level character has a hope of beating him, because he has always been as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
Wasn't that when he was still split?
Originally posted by Stoic
There was a retake on DOS Doomsday in Action Comics. Superman didn't appear to be any more successful against him than he was during the original story encounters. It actually made me believe that Superman was always as powerful as he is presently. That being said, no single Herald level character has a hope of beating him, because he has always been as powerful as the plot needs him to be.
Conversely, if we take statements at face value, Superman directly compared Damage's punch to Doomsday's, and said Damage hit harder. He obv didn't die then, so....
Originally posted by Delta1938
Wasn't that when he was still split?
I'm not recalling your reference? Sorry.
Originally posted by lawest9
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Exactly. No matter what era Superman is in, he's simply more powerful than the rest. He was so powerful prior to Byrne's run, that they had to nerf him.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not recalling your reference? Sorry.
Mostly what Qwerty said, except to my understanding Superman had been split in two, creating New 52 Superman. That being the case I got second hand, but the same writer(I think) who merged them explicitly showed Post-CRISIS Superman was weaker than before, and he couldn't figure out why, when him, Lois and Jon were living on New 52 Earth in SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK.
After DOS, Superman had multiple clear power ups between him coming back from the dead and FLASHPOINT. The first of which I believe was under the same writer(well one of the writers for the power up) who had the Doomsday fight Post-FLASHPOINT, but I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Mostly what Qwerty said, except to my understanding Superman had been split in two, creating New 52 Superman. That being the case I got second hand, but the same writer(I think) who merged them explicitly showed Post-CRISIS Superman was weaker than before, and he couldn't figure out why, when him, Lois and Jon were living on New 52 Earth in SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK.After DOS, Superman had multiple clear power ups between him coming back from the dead and FLASHPOINT. The first of which I believe was under the same writer(well one of the writers for the power up) who had the Doomsday fight Post-FLASHPOINT, but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the clarification. My point is that if Doomsday were to again appear in DC Comics, he would still give Superman the fight of his life, because plot insists upon this happening. This is regardless to whatever power ups may have been stitched into previous arcs. All the same, I maintain that no one can beat Superman. It was written clear as day that his dials go above every other character. He's the Champion of the Megaverse. Not even being sarcastic here. No one can beat him on a consistent basis.
Originally posted by StoicMaybe not consists not but he does have some defeats.
Thanks for the clarification. My point is that if Doomsday were to again appear in DC Comics, he would still give Superman the fight of his life, because plot insists upon this happening. This is regardless to whatever power ups may have been stitched into previous arcs. All the same, I maintain that no one can beat Superman. It was written clear as day that his dials go above every other character. He's the Champion of the Megaverse. Not even being sarcastic here. No one can beat him on a consistent basis.