Covid Conspiracy Thread

Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/05/health/fda-johnson-johnson-vaccine-eua/index.html

Safe and effective vaccines people! 😂

Remember any doubters claiming we needed more research were called conspiracy theorists. And sure enough over time we learn one vaccine causes horrible blood clots.

Small chance of it they say. Not so small to recommend taking it though, eh?

Was the same with AZ in UK (based on the same more traditional vaccine tech) which we restricted to to over 30s like a year ago. FDA seems a bit slow.

In any case anti-vaxxers mostly b**** about the MRNA based ones (because they are newer tech). And theres still more chance of getting blood clots from Covid.

So I suggest you stick to to the science, have some trust in the medics trying to save us and stop supporting those who have been fear mongering taking of vaccines, making our root out of Covid that much more difficult.

Other vaccines that have the same possible side effect

MMR
tetanus
Influenza
Hepatitis B

Presumably the people not getting the covid vaccine won't be getting them either.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/05/health/fda-johnson-johnson-vaccine-eua/index.html

Safe and effective vaccines people! 😂

Remember any doubters claiming we needed more research were called conspiracy theorists. And sure enough over time we learn one vaccine causes horrible blood clots.

Small chance of it they say. Not so small to recommend taking it though, eh?

He also had mild COVID before the vaccine and falls in the old and obese high risk category who get blood clots and viruses anyway.

Not only is he still alive, he's actually working on his health for a change. He's eaten more salad this last year than the last decade and is losing weight.

Yeah similar story, a client only found out he had heart issues after taking the Covid vaccine. The problem being highlighted via the vaccine has very likely saved his life.

A New Jersey man pleaded guilty to various charges stemming from his sale of more than $2.7 million worth of various unregistered pesticides to numerous victims based on false representations that these products were registered pesticides with the Environmental Protection Agency as "List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2."

Paul Andrecola, 63, of Maple Shade, New Jersey pleaded guilty before U.S. District Court Judge Robert B. Kugler in Camden federal court to one count of knowingly distributing or selling an unregistered pesticide in violation of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act, one count of wire fraud, and one count of presenting false claims to the United States.

"Andrecola not only cheated dozens of people out of millions of dollars, but also endangered the health of those who relied on his fraudulent virucidal products," said Assistant Attorney General Todd Kim of the Justice Department's Environment and Natural Resources Division. "The Department of Justice is committed to prosecuting such crimes to the fullest extent possible."

Andrecola, who owns and operates three companies based in Mount Laurel, New Jersey manufactured various disinfectant products, including liquids and wipes, under the brand name "GCLEAN."

GCLEAN products were unregistered pesticides under FIFRA and none of the products were on EPA's List N.

Rather, Andrecola placed another company's EPA Registration Numbers on his company's products, and falsely marketed that his products were EPA-approved to kill Coronavirus by creating numerous false documents to support his claims.

The count of illegal sale of an unregistered pesticide carries a statutory maximum prison sentence of one year, and a fine of up to $25,000.

The charge of wire fraud is punishable by a maximum potential penalty of 20 years in prison, and the count of false claims against the United States is punishable by a maximum potential penalty of five years in prison.

Both the charges of wire fraud and false claims against the United States are also subject to fines of $250,000; twice the gross profits to Andrecola; or twice the gross loss suffered by the victims, whichever is greatest.

As part of the plea agreement, the defendant agreed to forfeit more than $2.7 million of the proceeds from the sale of the illegal product, and to make full restitution for all losses resulting from his commission of the charged crimes.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The gap in COVID's death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point. In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from COVID, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened.

Some conservative writers have tried to claim that the gap may stem from regional differences in weather or age, but those arguments fall apart under scrutiny. (If weather or age were a major reason, the pattern would have begun to appear last year.) The true explanation is straightforward: The vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe COVID, and almost 40-percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10-percent of Democratic adults.

Stupid is as stupid does.

It is already known that hundreds of thousands of Americans would still be alive if every eligible person had gotten vaccinated against COVID-19. New research strongly suggests that many more of those "excess deaths" in Florida and Ohio were among people with Republican voter registrations.

It is perhaps unsurprising that Republicans were more reluctant to get vaccinated against the novel coronavirus, which has so far killed more than 1 million in the United States and more than 6.5 million worldwide.

A Cornell University study found that Donald Trump was the "single largest driver" of misinformation about the disease, and research by European economists indicated that watching Fox News correlated with vaccine hesitancy.

The National Bureau of Economic Research published an important study from researchers affiliated with Yale University. They took 577,659 death records from Florida and Ohio between January 2018 and December 2021 and matched the decedents to a 2017 voter file. In other words, they were able to identify the partisanship not only of the places those people lived but of the people themselves.

What they found is that the rate of excess death—that is, deaths above the expected toll relative to the pre-pandemic baseline—was higher for Republicans, particularly after vaccines were rolled out. "Registered Republicans in Florida and Ohio had higher excess death rates than registered Democrats, driven by a large mortality gap in the period after all adults were eligible for vaccines," the researchers write.

It's all speculation.

And I mean any view. How can we even test for something like this? How can we know for certain whether that heart attack was caused because an anti-vaxer did way more damage to his organs by refusing the vax, while the other guy who took all the shots wasn't a case of vax related heart inflammation?

Originally posted by cdtm
It's all speculation.

And I mean any view. How can we even test for something like this? How can we know for certain whether that heart attack was caused because an anti-vaxer did way more damage to his organs by refusing the vax, while the other guy who took all the shots wasn't a case of vax related heart inflammation?

Because the evidence isn't based on individual anecdotal cases.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Because the evidence isn't based on individual anecdotal cases.

I understand that much.

What I can't see is how we can test for something while ruling out other factors. You take 100 people, half are vaxed, half not, they all die of heart failure. How can you know for certain whether the vax had ANY role in their deaths?

I mean, people have literally dropped dead in recent news. There's always reports of "Is not vax related", and I wonder how they can know this.

And yes, the anti-vaxers will make assumptions it was the vax without any proof, and they'd be wrong

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is already known that hundreds of thousands of Americans would still be alive if every eligible person had gotten vaccinated against COVID-19. New research strongly suggests that many more of those "excess deaths" in Florida and Ohio were among people with Republican voter registrations.

It is perhaps unsurprising that Republicans were more reluctant to get vaccinated against the novel coronavirus, which has so far killed more than 1 million in the United States and more than 6.5 million worldwide.

A Cornell University study found that Donald Trump was the "single largest driver" of misinformation about the disease, and research by European economists indicated that watching Fox News correlated with vaccine hesitancy.

The National Bureau of Economic Research published an important study from researchers affiliated with Yale University. They took 577,659 death records from Florida and Ohio between January 2018 and December 2021 and matched the decedents to a 2017 voter file. In other words, they were able to identify the partisanship not only of the places those people lived but of the people themselves.

What they found is that the rate of excess death—that is, deaths above the expected toll relative to the pre-pandemic baseline—was higher for Republicans, particularly after vaccines were rolled out. "Registered Republicans in Florida and Ohio had higher excess death rates than registered Democrats, driven by a large mortality gap in the period after all adults were eligible for vaccines," the researchers write.

What happens when the Trump and Right for some reason thought it was smart to first downplay and then politicize a deadly virus.

If Trump from the very start took Covid seriously, the majority of his cult would have too and they would have been more willing to take the vaccines months later. Like they've done in the past.

Originally posted by Robtard
What happens when the Trump and Right for some reason thought it was smart to first downplay and then politicize a deadly virus.

If Trump from the very start took Covid seriously, the majority of his cult would have too and they would have been more willing to take the vaccines months later. Like they've done in the past.

To be fair, Covid was truly an unprecedented outbreak in recent history. No one could have predicted that this time was the one event where alarmism was justified (As we all learned in middle school about the hyperbolic tendencies of many networks for the ratings..)

"Unprecedented." 🙄

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair, Covid was truly an unprecedented outbreak in recent history. No one could have predicted that this time was the one event where alarmism was justified (As we all learned in middle school about the hyperbolic tendencies of many networks for the ratings..)

We had a national plan in place to deal with it, and he shat all over it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"Unprecedented." 🙄

In recent history.

It wasn't the networks saying this was serious. It was every medical expert in the field asking us to simply wear our damn masks, and somehow trump made that political.

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair, Covid was truly an unprecedented outbreak in recent history. No one could have predicted that this time was the one event where alarmism was justified (As we all learned in middle school about the hyperbolic tendencies of many networks for the ratings..)

Think Italy was the early warning alarm for the rest of the West.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Think Italy was the early warning alarm for the rest of the West.

The thing that gets me is how new variants are still escaping continents of origin.

As if we couldn't isolate them by enforcing mandatory quarantine for all traveling, regardless of vaccination status or suspected exposure. I mean, they can't go trans continental under their own steam, people need to carry them, and clearly whatever safeguards exist simply aren't working.

Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair, Covid was truly an unprecedented outbreak in recent history. No one could have predicted that this time was the one event where alarmism was justified (As we all learned in middle school about the hyperbolic tendencies of many networks for the ratings..)

Wrong, it wasn't "unprecedented". You are old enough to remember SARS, George W. Bush didn't go on national television and claim SARS was both contained and nothing to worry about, both lies. He didn't make ridicules claims about SARS just going away like a miracle. He didn't do his best to downplay wearing masks for months. Trump screwed it up from the start and why America had the highest amount of Covid related deaths.

"If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare"-G.W. Bush

Even war criminal and general dunderhead G.W. Bush knew well enough to not downplay pandemics for political shit-games.

Originally posted by truejedi
We had a national plan in place to deal with it, and he shat all over it.

^ Bingo

Originally posted by cdtm
The thing that gets me is how new variants are still escaping continents of origin.

As if we couldn't isolate them by enforcing mandatory quarantine for all traveling, regardless of vaccination status or suspected exposure. I mean, they can't go trans continental under their own steam, people need to carry them, and clearly whatever safeguards exist simply aren't working.

I don't speak for other countries, but in this one, literally half the people actively try to get around safeguards.... It's just like when the red states wouldn't wear masks with a "if you're scared, you wear a mask, mah freedom!" attitude. Like peeing in half the pool didn't ruin it for everyone...

Again, trump politicized it. He did that. He made it a democratic/republican thing when instead we should have absolutely been unified. I ****ing hate that guy. It's funny how Republicans insult Biden like we Democrats like him at all... He could literally be brain dead on a machine and the people who voted for him to beat Trump would do it again. That's where the Republicans are going to blow their opportunity in 2024. They very much underestimated how much 81 million people hated that *******.