Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cheese feat.Herc is a better combatant with strength that doesn't waver.
No he's not him and his whole crew were beaten off panel
Speed in this match is irrelevant. Don't be obtuse.
And yet he's an elite strong man. Go figure
You should know to the character before debating them
Cheese feat is still a feat.
Also you didn't address Marvel's portrayal of him being above Jane and closer to Thanos than other heralds.
And I gave Herc the better skill. But Glads is still stronger and more durable.
Cannonball has a really high invulnerability and can absorb/rechannel kinetic force.
He's tailor-made to face the big guys, unless he feels like jobbing. Best to leave him out of this debate.
Better to counter the Wonder Man example with Colossus, as they are both pretty "standard" bricks - and both supposedly lower in the food chain than Herc and Glads.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWonderman's power set is certainly not brick level and if he uses his full powers etc... he would be very serious.
Cannonball has a really high invulnerability and can absorb/rechannel kinetic force.He's tailor-made to face the big guys, unless he feels like jobbing. Best to leave him out of this debate.
Better to counter the Wonder Man example with Colossus, as they are both pretty "standard" bricks - and both supposedly lower in the food chain than Herc and Glads.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Wonderman's power set is certainly not brick level and if he uses his full powers etc... he would be very serious.
"Brick" term applies to anyone, as long it's a pure physical brawl. Even Superman acts as a brick plenty of times.
Wonder Man is a brick who often forgets he can fly 😂
Originally posted by h1a8
Cheese feat is still a feat.
Also you didn't address Marvel's portrayal of him being above Jane and closer to Thanos than other heralds.And I gave Herc the better skill. But Glads is still stronger and more durable.
It's not applicable here.
She blasted him with lightning, he hit her twice (hv, uppercut), she she hit him with the hammer, then his son blasted her from behind, she had glads on his knees, she got caught monologuing and glads choked her out. Then she went on to beat his superiors. Non fight
There is nothing anywhere that states Gladiator is closer to Thanos than other heralds.
Based on what? There isn't a strength feat he has that Hercules can't match and glads has low feats that depict otherwise.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's not applicable here.She blasted him with lightning, he hit her twice (hv, uppercut), she she hit him with the hammer, then his son blasted her from behind, she had glads on his knees, she got caught monologuing and glads choked her out. Then she went on to beat his superiors. Non fight
There is nothing anywhere that states Gladiator is closer to Thanos than other heralds.
Based on what? There isn't a strength feat he has that Hercules can't match and glads has low feats that depict otherwise.
Choking someone out like they are beneath you is Marvel way of portraying that Glads is physically superior to her.
She needs Mjolnir along with other abilities just to contend with him.
Thanos gave a dialogue that told readers that Glads is very close to his level and that he should avoid fighting him. That is why Thanos avoided fighting Glads.
Herc has no feats that can match bashing a planet to pieces.
No one would be surprised is Glads pulled off every Herc strength feat.
Facts.
But most would be surprised if we see Herc bash a planet to pieces.
Facts.
See the difference?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cheese feat.Herc is a better combatant with strength that doesn't waver.
No he's not him and his whole crew were beaten off panel
Speed in this match is irrelevant. Don't be obtuse.
And yet he's an elite strong man. Go figure
You should know to the character before debating them
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and teleport, change size and shape and density, shoot blasts from any part of his body etc.
And he still gets portrayed as a brick who forgets about flight (or needs the special gear for it) most of the time.
The Ionic thing gives him plenty of vulnerabilities, rather than extra options.
But enough of that. Let's stay on topic.
He was slugging it out with Herc. Not any different from Glads/Colossus battle.
You can discuss the imaginary versatile version capable of getting one-shotted by Black Widow or punked by Ares the Underachiever in some other thread 😛
Originally posted by h1a8
Choking someone out like they are beneath you is Marvel way of portraying that Glads is physically superior to her.
She needs Mjolnir along with other abilities just to contend with him.Thanos gave a dialogue that told readers that Glads is very close to his level and that he should avoid fighting him. That is why Thanos avoided fighting Glads.
Herc has no feats that can match bashing a planet to pieces.
No one would be surprised is Glads pulled off every Herc strength feat.
Facts.But most would be surprised if we see Herc bash a planet to pieces.
Facts.See the difference?
Bashing a planet is a cheese feat...an outlier and hardly an indicator of his operating strength. Besides why would Hercules , a brick, destroy ta planet when he lacks the means to propel himself. Don't be obtuse.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Elite strong man compared to who? Gladiator has defeated both Beta Ray Bill and Jane Thor.
I already explained the Jane feat. It's been awhile since I read that guardian issue I'd have to reread. Elite strong man in comparison to Hulk, Thing, Sentry, Colossus ect..
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol @ Colossus or Thing at comparison.He has also defeated Beta Ray Bill. Hercules doesn't has a single win on any Thor level beings.
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.
Originally posted by Sin I AMI remember Gladiator once saying that he 'underestimated Thor's strength '.
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.
He choked Jane Thor to sleep with one hand.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so much struggle as it was Colossus punching above his weight briefly and refusing to go down. The fight ends when the moon building falls on them.
I see it differently I suppose. If Gladiator is that far ahead of Colossus as some would allude then why wasn't he one shot? That's typically what happens when someone is out of the others league. We also know he has a hard limit, Black Bolt, Ikon and Rom. So it's not as if he's some trans tier beast.
Originally posted by carver9
He choked Jane Thor to sleep with one hand.
He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?