Gladiator vs Hercules

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.

There's no context. Gladiator has received a hell of push last few years and is genuinely above Thor now.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I see it differently I suppose. If Gladiator is that far ahead of Colossus as some would allude then why wasn't he one shot? That's typically what happens when someone is out of the others league. We also know he has a hard limit, Black Bolt, Ikon and Rom. So it's not as if he's some trans tier beast.

He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?

Eh, I would say that as impressive as Colossus can be, Gladiator is still solidly above him by a decent distance. But some people overrate him at the same time which doesn't help.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?

She knocked him down and he got up off the ground and choked her to sleep with ONE HAND!!! She couldn't even get out of it. I don't know why you're mentioning him being on the ground. Are you saying he was hurt? If so, a hurt Gladiator choked Jane Thor out with one harm? Impressive.

Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he beat the shit out of Heimdall and Masterson was as strong as Thor and had to cheapshot Gladiator. Future Gladiator knocked Thor the **** out.

There's no context. Gladiator has received a hell of push last few years and is genuinely above Thor now.

Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will

Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, I would say that as impressive as Colossus can be, Gladiator is still solidly above him by a decent distance. But some people overrate him at the same time which doesn't help.

👍Agreed

Originally posted by carver9
She knocked him down and he got up off the ground and choked her to sleep with ONE HAND!!! She couldn't even get out of it. I don't know why you're mentioning him being on the ground. Are you saying he was hurt? If so, a hurt Gladiator choked Jane Thor out with one harm? Impressive.

They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.

Originally posted by JBL
Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

Calm down... I don't like your energy

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will

👍Agreed

They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.

Calm down... I don't like your energy

without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.

Originally posted by lawest9
He accuse others of bringing a certain character (whom I won't name) into this thread but he's the one that starts it up himself and he does wank Gladiator extremely hard, he goes off a lot of hearsay without on unproven off panel "feats".

Meh he's transparent. No worries

Originally posted by leonidas
without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.

Gladiator would win imo if it was a standard fight. But since he doesn't have HV, flight and speed is equalized then Hercules has the advantage since he's a better h2h combatant. Everyone else is arguing semantics to save face

Originally posted by JBL
Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

😂

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh he's transparent. No worries

Gladiator would win imo if it was a standard fight. But since he doesn't have HV, flight and speed is equalized then Hercules has the advantage since he's a better h2h combatant. Everyone else is arguing semantics to save face

Master son Thor = Thor is strength (but not experience).
Herc is not going to one hand choke Jane like she is a child.
Herc strained like hell when towing Manhattan.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads is significantly stronger if we go by feats and portrayals.
You only have an argument by lowballing Glads (looking at his lowest).

Master son Thor = Thor is strength (but not experience).
Herc is not going to one hand choke Jane like she is a child.
Herc strained like hell when towing Manhattan.

I keep hearing this...what feats? I'm not saying Hercules is unstoppable but Gladiator is up and down a lot. And he has a hard limiter on his abilities. Rom, Rachel Grey, Black Bolt, that super Skrull can't remember his name.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so much struggle as it was Colossus punching above his weight briefly and refusing to go down. The fight ends when the moon building falls on them.

They were portrayed as equals:

The stand toe-to-toe (...)

One an irresistable force, the other an immovable object (...)

Battling without letup, giving everything they have.

In the end, though, it is not they who decide the issue.

Rather, it is the ancient, fragile structures around them.

And that's just a single page. There's more.

--
Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were portrayed as equals:

And that's just a single page. There's more.

--
Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

He might be talking about Hercules v WM/Ares...but Hydra blood makes Her bloodlusted

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were portrayed as equals:

And that's just a single page. There's more.

--
Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

I didn't buy them as equals then and I don't do it now.

If Gladiator was having a real off-day, then sure, it works, but his subsequent feats separate them handily.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He might be talking about Hercules v WM/Ares...but Hydra blood makes Her bloodlusted

But WM was like a total non-factor there... appeared only for the comic relief moments or when he tried talking some sense to Herc and Herc was listening to him... the actual combatants were Herc and Ares.

So I kinda doubt that's what JBL had in mind.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't buy them as equals then and I don't do it now.

Impartial narrator, Colossus' statement and the fight itself all strongly disagree with you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If Gladiator was having a real off-day, then sure, it works, but his subsequent feats separate them handily.

Gladiator is not Superman. He's all over the place.

Remember Corsair's pistols? Under Claremont, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But WM was like a total non-factor there... appeared only for the comic relief moments or when he tried talking some sense to Herc and Herc was listening to him... the actual combatants were Herc and Ares.

So I kinda doubt that's what JBL had in mind.

Impartial narrator, Colossus' statement and the fight itself all strongly disagree with you.

Gladiator is not Superman. He's all over the place.

Remember Corsair's pistols? Under Claremont, too.

If you want to put it down to him having a shit day and his confidence being low, then I have no problem with that.

I just find it hard to call them true equals when a building falls on them and one of them walks out dragging the other. It's an inconsistency within the fight itself.

Come to think of it I can't recall WM having any good feats unless you count ionic which to me is a different character

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's an inconsistency within the fight itself.

Not necessarily.

Perhaps Colossus got the worst of it?

Gladiator won, yes, but he was a mess, emerging "slowly and painfully" from under the rabble.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Come to think of it I can't recall WM having any good feats unless you count ionic which to me is a different character

Ionic Wonder Man lost to Black Widow.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will

👍Agreed

They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.

Calm down... I don't like your energy

Originally posted by leonidas
without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.