Seriously though, what is Mera going to do when Terrax goes all axe to the ground planet buster finisher move? People want to acknowledge one thing but not the other. So instead of just agreeing that Mera is in way over her head, let’s all try to make a case.
She loses. Does Terrax even need to be within her vicinity to take her out? Nope. What is there to talk about? She loses in all but martial arts prowess.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I really don’t think he was behind her in Post-Crisis continuity either if I’m being honest. The only issue with Aquaman is he relies more on scaling because he’s a more grounded character. He’s not really someone who is going to be in space fighting with the exception of a few JL stories.I honestly think at this point it’s been made clear their peers. Rebirth was post-crisis coming back to continuity and technically everything becoming cannon. And it’s a Rebirth guidebook that claims theyre peers in physical attributes on land.
Hell Post-Crisis Superman was physically struggling with Ocean Master in a Superman comic and both Diana and Superman were being held back by his hydrokinesis in Obsidian Age
Mera in Post-Crisis continuity was trading blows with Black Lantern Wonder Woman.
Both Mera and Orm are physically weaker than Aquaman.
I actually do consider them to be peers in a very general sense. I just think that in certain areas, one of them is going to have advantages over the other is all.
And yes, I would put Mera and Orm below Arthur in that department, sure.
Originally posted by zopzopand been beaten by Iron Man among many others.
I agree with Stilt. WW is all over the place strength AND durability showing wise.But back to Terrax. People are forgetting he has incredible space cheese feats : planet busting, existing inside a massive black hole for days/weeks while depowered, lifting the island of Manhattan and flinging it into space using his geokinesis, etc.. He's also taken on teams of heroes at a time, for example the New Warriors and Fantastic Four with anti-Terrax weapons designed by Reed. Yeah he also has low showings but what do you expect? He's a C-class villain.
I think he wins because a) he's overall more powerful than her and b) I don't think her best weapon (desiccation) would work on Terrax.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I actually do consider them to be peers in a very general sense. I just think that in certain areas, one of them is going to have advantages over the other is all.And yes, I would put Mera and Orm below Arthur in that department, sure.
She should technically be more skilled and have better reflexes cause that’s her character trait but you can’t really have them genuinely fight on equal terms giving her those stat advantages as well.
I honestly think they’re more or less on par myself. Godmode could of been something highlighted for Diana to give her a thing of her own but it’s not really used after the New52 and it’s contradictory. God of War gave her own thing as well but I don’t think she holds that title anymore.
Terrax is as strong, or even stronger and more durable than Corum Rath. I personally believe that Terrax by comparison would destroy Rath. Wonder Woman isn’t in this thread just like the Sentry isn’t in this thread. What Sentry did to Terrax would absolutely not be something that Mera would be able to replicate.
He is well above her weight class. His natural defenses pretty much render him immune to her water powers. This is nearly as bad as Terrax vs Hydroman IMO.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
She should technically be more skilled and have better reflexes cause that’s her character trait but you can’t really have them genuinely fight on equal terms giving her those stat advantages as well.I honestly think they’re more or less on par myself. Godmode could of been something highlighted for Diana to give her a thing of her own but it’s not really used after the New52 and it’s contradictory. God of War gave her own thing as well but I don’t think she holds that title anymore.
As long as his stats equal things out to a reasonable extent, I think you can. She can be a notch or two above him in some arenas if the same is true for him in other areas.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
No what’s happening is you consider them lowends because Aquaman is involved which isn’t the case. If every instance between the characters treat them as peers. That’s consistency. Not a lowend. A lowend is a showing that is below her average/consistent showings. And there’s numerous examples of Aquaman and Co being in Diana’s physical tier.
wonder woman has pushed and pulled part of the moon, pulled part of the earth, pulling mmh out of a black hole with her lasso, caught a city sized meteor, knocked out konvikt that was taking punches from superman that could shatter small planets, cracked open sea floor straight to lava vent with a punch, fought amped superman in darkseid war, hiro okamura stated wonder woman could move planet by hand, restrained grail who was wrecking the justice league, slammed grail into an island causing a chunk of island to break off, one punched supergirl through 2 ice mountains, held up paradise island, pulled the sun with her lasso, snapped cronus scepter with her hands (the scepter contains the power of the godwave that surrounds the Multiverse), beaten marvel hercules physically in jla vs avengers (the same hercules that held up heaven), bloodied zod and faora, one punched superman powered batman from earth to moon, was gifted the strength of Gaea and said to be stronger than dc hercules
list me one third of arthur feats that come close to what I mentioned, let's start there
1. Mera has never lost to aquaman, if she wants to she will just launch aquaman straight to stratosphere again
2. Stoic must be on some good drugs to think Iron Man can beat Mera, the same mera that went toe to toe with black lantern wonder woman, if she can suck the water out of black manta suit she can do the same with iron man (unless he's getting his really high end suit, then she will beat him any other ways)
Originally posted by MrMind
wonder woman has pushed and pulled part of the moon, pulled part of the earth, pulling mmh out of a black hole with her lasso, caught a city sized meteor, knocked out konvikt that was taking punches from superman that could shatter small planets, cracked open sea floor straight to lava vent with a punch, fought amped superman in darkseid war, hiro okamura stated wonder woman could move planet by hand, restrained grail who was wrecking the justice league, slammed grail into an island causing a chunk of island to break off, one punched supergirl through 2 ice mountains, held up paradise island, pulled the sun with her lasso, snapped cronus scepter with her hands (the scepter contains the power of the godwave that surrounds the Multiverse), beaten marvel hercules physically in jla vs avengers (the same hercules that held up heaven), bloodied zod and faora, one punched superman powered batman from earth to moon, was gifted the strength of Gaea and said to be stronger than dc herculeslist me one third of arthur feats that come close to what I mentioned, let's start there
Aquaman stopped an attack that destroyed the biggest continent on the planet while he was weakened that should be above our moon. Pulled part of the Earth? Are you talking about Obsidian Age because that’s not what the goal even was.. The Black Hole thing is unquantifiable and it’s possibly due to the magical nature of her lasso. I don’t ever remember pulling a sun outside that misconstrued silver age story of her pulling a miniature sun..
A lot of the stuff you listed honestly becomes irrelevant when at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact Aquaman matched her 3 times in modern cannon, had a whole war with her as equals in Flashpoint which was their Post-Crisis versions taken under a different route, Struggled with Mera while Wonder Woman was a black lantern, and has struggled with Ocean Master in every altercation they had with each other.
Wonder Woman’s feats only make the characters who consistently battle her look all the more better.
Originally posted by MrMind
1. Mera has never lost to aquaman, if she wants to she will just launch aquaman straight to stratosphere again2. Stoic must be on some good drugs to think Iron Man can beat Mera, the same mera that went toe to toe with black lantern wonder woman, if she can suck the water out of black manta suit she can do the same with iron man (unless he's getting his really high end suit, then she will beat him any other ways)
1.) Yeah she did, Aquaman accidentally knocked her out with Aquaman not trying to fight her and Mera attacking him blaming him for the death of her son. I think Mera would beat the New52 incarnation of Aquaman which since the New52 I don’t think they’ve had any fights between them. But in terms of physicals she’s below Aquaman.
2.) I don’t think she’s ever used internal hydrokinesis against Black Manta. She tried and he said his suit counters it because of a bio electrical seal. I don’t think Ironman has anything like that in his armor.
One of his most powerful armors was bullied by a base Carol Danvers and he was being treated as fodder by Glads. I think it’s weird trying to suggest Ironman is at some herald fighting level.. it’s like bringing up the fact Spiderman has beaten Firelord
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman stopped an attack that destroyed the biggest continent on the planet while he was weakened that should be above our moon. Pulled part of the Earth? Are you talking about Obsidian Age because that’s not what the goal even was.. The Black Hole thing is unquantifiable and it’s possibly due to the magical nature of her lasso. I don’t ever remember pulling a sun outside that misconstrued silver age story of her pulling a miniature sun..A lot of the stuff you listed honestly becomes irrelevant when at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact Aquaman matched her 3 times in modern cannon, had a whole war with her as equals in Flashpoint which was their Post-Crisis versions taken under a different route, Struggled with Mera while Wonder Woman was a black lantern, and has struggled with Ocean Master in every altercation they had with each other.
Wonder Woman’s feats only make the characters who consistently battle her look all the more better.
this is the best you can do? she pulled the sun recently
I'll give you one more chance to try again, flashpoint was different completely different characters from a completely different universe, struggled with Mera because Mera is a beast who can spank aquaman anytime she likes and launch him into outerspace like here
https://imgur.com/a/lv5Er61
if this is the best you can come up with then I'm wasting my time
concession accepted
Originally posted by MrMind
this is the best you can do? she pulled the sun recentlyI'll give you one more chance to try again, flashpoint was different completely different characters from a completely different universe, struggled with Mera because Mera is a beast who can spank aquaman anytime she likes and launch him into outerspace like here
https://imgur.com/a/lv5Er61if this is the best you can come up with then I'm wasting my time
concession accepted
I wasn’t aware of the sun thing in modern times. I’m surprised if there isn’t missing context but I won’t question it too hardly without reading the story myself.. I could do better though
Aquaman Annual 2:
https://m.imgur.com/a/88fW0
Breaks out of the supposedly stronger character’s headlock and the fight ends with Wonder Woman in a headlock
Justice League Issue 6:
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/MW9HJHq
Wonder Woman legit thinks she’s fighting Cheetah who at this point she knew had one of the multiversal deadly forces on her side. While Aquaman thought he was fighting Black Manta who had the tear of extinction
Justice League Issue 44-45:
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/HKsutW9
Wonder Woman and Aquaman are both in a rage fighting each other due to the Spectre. Again he matches her. They both try to finish each other off with an attack and it ends up with the entire league themselves included on their assess
And lol this is from the 1989 series your complaining about using Flashpoint but your arguing Mera is above Arthur off New52 scans despite context and using a fight from Post-Crisis to say she’s near Wonder Woman?
Aquaman accidentally knocks out Mera thinking he kills her
This by continuity is the same continuity where Mera fought off Black Lantern Wonder Woman…
I could bring up more stuff like the same series where Aquaman takes Martian Vision after being in the desert and Superman claiming J’onn could of killed Diana with the same Martian Vision..
There’s the fact Aquaman’s brother who he routinely beats dropped the Trinity as well
https://m.imgur.com/a/O1PYN
Hell 2/3rds of the Trinity struggled with him in Obsidian Age the same story people misconstrue that planet pulling feat from.
https://m.imgur.com/a/Q2Ala
Even Superman looks like he’s struggling in a Superman comic physically against Aquaman’s weaker brother
https://m.imgur.com/chRbHiC
I got more. Regardless I think any of this stuff is better than Aquaman willingly have Mera launch him into the stratosphere as a anti feat against the guy lol..
Originally posted by zopzop
Physically he's above her, but all powers in play and she breaks him in two.
All powers in play. She really has no tp defense, he’s faster, she can’t take the trident 🔱 (giggity) and he’s physically more powerful.
I’d agree she has win advantages too given her power hax and the fact she controls the density of said water manipulation
