Elon Musk should be the last person to control Twitter, but now he does!

Started by cdtm48 pages
Originally posted by ares834
I never said it wasn't terrible management. In fact, I implied the opposite by mentioned "the collapse of Twitter". What I said was, I don't care that the people who work there are losing their jobs.

I feel worse for Kanye West, even though he's a billionaire and an ass.

Because I watched most of his interviews, Drink Champs and that one with Chris Fredo. Fact is he repeatedly said he doesn't want any harm to come to anyone, and only wants to talk about the people who scewed him in business deals. Dave Chappelle essentially said he had a point, and made that same point himself, and I doubt Dave actually watched the interviews because they got taken down from everywhere.

They won't release the exact number, but apparently so few Twitter employees signed Musk's nutty fealty agreement by the 2pm deadline yesterday, that Musk had to immediately reverse himself, or face Twotter coming to a grinding halt.

The little guys won a small battle this round, good for the,. Musk had to cuck out.

Twitter will become a cesspool of WHITE SUPREMACY activity.

Shut it down.

Originally posted by Trocity
Twitter will become a cesspool of WHITE SUPREMACY activity.

Shut it down.

True, Trump has his account back. 👆 well observed!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
True, Trump has his account back. 👆 well observed!

White supremacy is protected speech in the US.

Originally posted by cdtm
White supremacy is protected speech in the US.

That only means the government can't stop you from saying it.

A private company like Twitter can absolutely ban your ass for expressing white supremacist views though.

Which is something the "but muh free speech" crowd doesn't quite seem to grasp.

Rightist have the mentality where they feel a business should be allowed to do whatever it wants, because the free market will sort it all out. Unless some business does something they don't agree with and then it's "Leftist oppression", eg like they ranted when Trump was bannned.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That only means the government can't stop you from saying it.

A private company like Twitter can absolutely ban your ass for expressing white supremacist views though.

Which is something the "but muh free speech" crowd doesn't quite seem to grasp.

Which is a correct argument, except when it ignores the government influencing their decisons.

Such as Mark Zuckerberg outright admitting he censored speech based on an FBI warning.

We recently had a senator threaten Elon Musk with controlling disinformation, or the government doing it for him. That to me is a direct infringement on the first amendment.

It is not for government to decide how Elon Musk runs his company. If he wants a den of racism or conspiracy theories, that is protected speech.

Originally posted by cdtm

Such as Mark Zuckerberg outright admitting he censored speech based on an FBI warning.

We recently had a senator threaten Elon Musk with controlling disinformation, or the government doing it for him. That to me is a direct infringement on the first amendment.

It is not for government to decide how Elon Musk runs his company. If he wants a den of racism or conspiracy theories, [b]that is protected speech. [/B]


Nope.

The FBI warned Facebook that a new wave of Russian propaganda may be leaked soon, and to be wary of any odd information dumps. Mark chose to limit algorithm-based autosharing of the Biden laptop issue while 3rd parties investigated the claim. It was only for a week, and he never stopped users from sharing it. No free speech violations.

Senator Ed Markey warned Musk that a reporter successfully made a verified account impersonating the Senator...by simply paying the new 8$ fee for the blue check mark. Elon got pissy in a reply tweet, then the Senator completely wrecked Elon in another reply.

Elon fans were just mad Elon got dunked on by a Senator on Twitter. His "free speech" was never violated.

Elon has this weird idea, lots of stupid ideas and lies being propagated will lead to people getting the truth... How?

"A @washingtonpost reporter was able to create a verified account impersonating me—I’m asking for answers from @elonmusk who is putting profits over people and his debt over stopping disinformation. Twitter must explain how this happened and how to prevent it from happening again." -Ed Markey

"Perhaps it is because your real account sounds like a parody?" -Elon Musk

"One of your companies is under an FTC consent decree. Auto safety watchdog NHTSA is investigating another for killing people. And you’re spending your time picking fights online. Fix your companies. Or Congress will." -Ed Markey

Savage. No wonder the Musk fanboys are angry.

Originally posted by Robtard
"A @washingtonpost reporter was able to create a verified account impersonating me—I’m asking for answers from @elonmusk who is putting profits over people and his debt over stopping disinformation. Twitter must explain how this happened and how to prevent it from happening again." -Ed Markey

"Perhaps it is because your real account sounds like a parody?" -Elon Musk

"One of your companies is under an FTC consent decree. Auto safety watchdog NHTSA is investigating another for killing people. And you’re spending your time picking fights online. Fix your companies. Or Congress will." -Ed Markey

Savage. No wonder the Musk fanboys are angry.

Musk is a very nasty man.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Nope.

The FBI warned Facebook that a new wave of Russian propaganda may be leaked soon, and to be wary of any odd information dumps. Mark chose to limit algorithm-based autosharing of the Biden laptop issue while 3rd parties investigated the claim. It was only for a week, and he never stopped users from sharing it. No free speech violations.

Senator Ed Markey warned Musk that a reporter successfully made a verified account impersonating the Senator...by simply paying the new 8$ fee for the blue check mark. Elon got pissy in a reply tweet, then the Senator completely wrecked Elon in another reply.

Elon fans were just mad Elon got dunked on by a Senator on Twitter. His "free speech" was never violated.

The ACLU has complained about government influences on social media:

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/government-trying-influence-speech-social-media-how

In the name of counter terrorism, of course.

This works both ways though. It's easy to curtail speech because Russia or terrorists or Hunter Biden embarrassment on the president.

The thing you aren't understanding, is I'm sceptical of authority in a general sense. I don't CARE which side is in charge or what the excuse is, I ASSUME bad intentions any time speech is at stake.

This is because historically, speech has always always ALWAYS been used as cover for tyrants.

That's just how it is, bad actors are too dangerous to allow to reign unchecked, and the public is terrible at vetting their leaders.

The only solution is to assume what does not kill you should be allowed, and that everyone is responsible for their own actions. Your speech may incite violance, but that is squarely on those who commit violence.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Elon has this weird idea, lots of stupid ideas and lies being propagated will lead to people getting the truth... How?

Yeah. The "muh free speech" crowd also misunderstands this: some misinformation actually is illegal.

They have this fantasy that any lie they tell is protected speech, but that is inaccurate. Some misinformation can get you fined, sued, or even thrown in prison. Not all speech is protected speech.

Alex Jones found out the hard way.

Originally posted by Robtard
Savage. No wonder the Musk fanboys are angry.

It's not even the only time a Congressperson has ran him over. AOC clowned him too.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Musk is a very nasty man.

He's a deplorable.

He could actually do some good with his wealth, but he does the opposite.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. The "muh free speech" crowd also misunderstands this: some misinformation actually is illegal.

They have this fantasy that any lie they tell is protected speech, but that is inaccurate. Some misinformation can get you fined, sued, or even thrown in prison. Not all speech is protected speech.

Alex Jones found out the hard way.

It's not even the only time a Congressperson has ran him over. AOC clowned him too.

Who decides what is disinformation.

What stops authorities from simply lying to the public.
.

Remember Iraq.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. The "muh free speech" crowd also misunderstands this: some misinformation actually is illegal.

They have this fantasy that any lie they tell is protected speech, but that is inaccurate. Some misinformation can get you fined, sued, or even thrown in prison. Not all speech is protected speech.

Alex Jones found out the hard way.

In this case, I think the free speech angle is a red herring anyways.

Twitter is in the the FTC's crosshairs due to concerns for the safety and privacy of user data rather than, specifically, the content on the site. I see it as adjacent to the freedom of speech discussion but not directly related. Disinformation creates serious concern for democratic reasons, sure, but it's not hard to see why Markey's alarm about Musk enabling impersonators overlaps with the FTC's ongoing concerns re: whether Twitter is protecting its users.

Which makes sense... because Twitter's whole defense within the freedom of speech debate (beyond the fact that it's a private corporation, as you note) is that: while tweets are a form of expression, they're not *Twitter's* expression. Twitter says that it's not a newspaper with an editorial mandate to avoid lies, it's just a social media platform (whatever that means). So Twitter aggregates data but doesn't curate. That position changed slightly after Jan 6, when Twitter was finally forced to grow a bit of a backbone, but I think it's still generally the industry stance.

Regardless, the FTC says: content of expression aside, you host and aggregate way too much data and metadata to play this fast and loose. And that warning comes with teeth; they fined Twitter $150 million in 2011, and Facebook $5 billion in 2019.

It's all a different debate than, say, in 2018 when the SEC personally fined Musk $20 million for tweeting lies about Tesla that manipulated stock prices.

Originally posted by Smurph
In this case, I think the free speech angle is a red herring anyways.

Twitter is in the the FTC's crosshairs due to concerns for the safety and privacy of user data rather than, specifically, the content on the site. I see it as adjacent to the freedom of speech discussion but not directly related. Disinformation creates serious concern for democratic reasons, sure, but it's not hard to see why Markey's alarm about Musk enabling impersonators overlaps with the FTC's ongoing concerns re: whether Twitter is protecting its users.

Which makes sense... because Twitter's whole defense within the freedom of speech debate (beyond the fact that it's a private corporation, as you note) is that: while tweets are a form of expression, they're not *Twitter's* expression. Twitter says that it's not a newspaper with an editorial mandate to avoid lies, it's just a social media platform (whatever that means). So Twitter aggregates data but doesn't curate. That position changed slightly after Jan 6, when Twitter was finally forced to grow a bit of a backbone, but I think it's still generally the industry stance.

Regardless, the FTC says: content of expression aside, you host and aggregate way too much data and metadata to play this fast and loose. And that warning comes with teeth; they fined Twitter $150 million in 2011, and Facebook $5 billion in 2019.

It's all a different debate than, say, in 2018 when the SEC personally fined Musk $20 million for tweeting lies about Tesla that manipulated stock prices.

They DO curate though.

What is the algorithms if not choosing who gets top billing and who gets burried?

Originally posted by cdtm
Who decides what is disinformation.

What stops authorities from simply lying to the public.
.

Remember Iraq.

Who decides what is the truth? Is that your question?

Also, lol at Twitter. What a shit show
Musk is a clown.