Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Used up.Edit: or, like Tyrannus, she realised the dangers and stopped wishing.
Either way, please provide explicit proof he used pure strength, which has been my initial request this entire time.
So screaming stuff out loud doesn't equal a wish being made, right?
Them punching each other and everything exploding around them is proof
Alright, so the conclusion to this. Darksaint first mentioned that the wish was for EVERYONE to die which that isn't the case since Doc Strange didn't die. He left before the explosion hit, Umar didn't die and I don't think Hulk died either since we clearly see them fighting while the explosion was happening.
Second. Dark said that the wish was also meant for villains and the reason Cho and the others left because they were innocent but under the same breath mentioned that innocents were not victims to the wish. I then refute him by showing them getting melted as well, died and came back to life. He then mentions that a wish can be made by people just blurting out sh** which again is a lie since Umar was hit with the wishing well and blurted out crap consistently that did not happen. He mentioned that the wish was hindered primarily to the Dark Dimension which again was never proven.
I think this argument is done. It was fun though, Saint
Originally posted by carver9
Alright, so the conclusion to this. Darksaint first mentioned that the wish was for EVERYONE to die which that isn't the case since Doc Strange didn't die. He left before the explosion hit, Umar didn't die and I don't think Hulk died either since we clearly see them fighting while the explosion was happening.Second. Dark said that the wish was also meant for villains and the reason Cho and the others left because they were innocent but under the same breath mentioned that innocents were not victims to the wish. I then refute him by showing the got melted as well, died and came back yo life. He then mentions that a wish can be made by people just blurring out sh** which again is a lie since Umar was hit with the wishing well and blurted out crap consistently that did not happen. He mentioned that the wish was hindered primarily to the Dark Dimension which again was never proven.
I think this argument is done. It was fun though, Saint
Lies and semantics.
I said it was everyone present, HERE. Here = DD.
Second, I already corrected myself, but the main point is still there - that it was due to the wish. You're just deflecting now, with semantics - even if I was wrong on HOW the wish was phrased, the main point (which you've done nothing to refute) is that there was a wish in the first place. A wish that contributed to the planet exploding.
Umar had no wishing well power on her anymore, so her blurting stuff means jackshit, lol. I have asked once, now twice, for you to prove that Umar still has wishing power on her. Any proof?
Being hindered by the DD was proven by Strange's statement. 'NO ONE HERE WILL SURVIVE'. HERE = Dark Dimension.
I get it. You're upset that I've firstly destroyed the Herc argument being mystical energy, and now you're worried I'm coming for Hulk's most famous feat. It's ok to be scared.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lies and semantics.I said it was everyone present, HERE. Here = DD.
Second, I already corrected myself, but the main point is still there - that it was due to the wish. You're just deflecting now, with semantics - even if I was wrong on HOW the wish was phrased, the main point (which you've done nothing to refute) is that there was a wish in the first place. A wish that contributed to the planet exploding.
Umar had no wishing well power on her anymore, so her blurting stuff means jackshit, lol. I have asked once, now twice, for you to prove that Umar still has wishing power on her. Any proof?
Being hindered by the DD was proven by Strange's statement. 'NO ONE HERE WILL SURVIVE'. HERE = Dark Dimension.
I get it. You're upset that I've firstly destroyed the Herc argument being mystical energy, and now you're worried I'm coming for Hulk's most famous feat. It's ok to be scared.
You said it was present for everyone on the planet which included Doctor Strange (important part here), who did NOT die in the explosion. What does this mean? This means that the statement you keep bringing up (everyone in the Dark Dimension dying) is a bold face lie. Strange said EVERYONE will die when that is not true since HE survived. So that throws your comment about the wish being granted to kill everyone in the Dark Dimension. What else...
You've been false throughout this. Saying that blirting out things equals a wish which was proven wrong. Also, when did Umar use all of her wishes (or one of them)? Scans please.
You keep mentioning no one in the Dark Dimension surviving even though he lived. 🤷🏾‍♂️
I'm not upset at that and I don't care what a mod ruled on that. I still believe what I believe.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The wish was for guilty parties to be affected, which the DD only had:Jen and Rick were NOT guilty monsters. So.....no.
You're all over the place. You said the wish was meant for guilty parties to be affected and admitted Jen and Rick are not Guilty but they died anyways.
Originally posted by carver9
You said it was present for everyone on the planet which included Doctor Strange (important part here), who did NOT die in the explosion. What does this mean? This means that the statement you keep bringing up (everyone in the Dark Dimension dying) is a bold face lie. Strange said EVERYONE will die when that is not true since HE survived. So that throws your comment about the wish being granted to kill everyone in the Dark Dimension. What else...You've been false throughout this. Saying that blirting out things equals a wish which was proven wrong. Also, when did Umar use all of her wishes (or one of them)? Scans please.
You keep mentioning no one in the Dark Dimension surviving even though he lived. 🤷🏾‍♂️
I'm not upset at that and I don't care what a mod ruled on that. I still believe what I believe.
Strange was back on earth when the planet exploded...... Read the comic again. That's why Hulk wanted Cho and Cosimo off planet (and not everyone, as you lied).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And now that I have access to my PC, I will lay my argument out.From the very start, we already knew Betty - in her unamped, normal state, was a match for Hulk durability-wise:
Bear this in mind as we read on.
It was established that the Wishing Well would take a circuitous route to give you [b]exactly
what you actually want, but there would be consequences:Now, Hulk wanted there to be no innocents around - the Well could have given him a barren world, but instead, it gave him a world full of guilty criminals to fight:
No matter. The Hulk loved it either way. As he himself says:
Look at that smile. He is loving it.
Confirmed by the Hulk himself, that it was time to fight and die (still with that shit-eating grin on his face):
And confirmed again by Strange. No one was going to survive - and that was the end that the Hulk wanted:
[/B]
In your post, Strange was on the planet when this wish was supposedly made which means since the wish was for EVERYONE to die, then he should've died. Even the statement he/Strange mentioned was before the planet exploded. So, per your own words, Strange should've died since the wish was made while he was in the Dark Dimension.
Originally posted by carver9
When did Hulk make the wish that everyone will die? Wait one sec, I can find out when you said it happened.
You asked why Umar didn't make any more wishes. The answer is simple, she had no wishing well power left. If you think she did ,prove it.
All this is simple.
You say it was pure strength, nothing else. Prove it with scans, words.
You said Banner wanted EVERYONE off planet. That was a lie.
You said Hulk didn't want anyone to die. That was a lie.
Simple. Prove it was pure strength, not just 'because I say so'.
In the very same story, same writer etc, FOUR MASSIVELY AMPED HULKS, insane with power and not holding back, didn't even scratch a pickup truck nearby, once on Earth. Will you argue inconsistencies? Then what makes the planet exploding the feat and not the pickup truck?
Maybe you want to argue collateral damage. Ok.
WBH and Betty, unamped, melted FFF just with the shockwaves of their punches, as per you.
On Earth? Hundreds of times larger than poor Foom? Was he melted?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We need to leave Amadeus....No one here will survive.... that's the end he wants.You asked why Umar didn't make any more wishes. The answer is simple, she had no wishing well power left. If you think she did ,prove it.
When did she wish for anything (even though we CLEARLY see her splashed by the well)? Scans please.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All this is simple.You say it was pure strength, nothing else. Prove it with scans, words.
You said Banner wanted EVERYONE off planet. That was a lie.
You said Hulk didn't want anyone to die. That was a lie.
Simple. Prove it was pure strength, not just 'because I say so'.
In the very same story, same writer etc, FOUR MASSIVELY AMPED HULKS, insane with power and not holding back, didn't even scratch a pickup truck nearby, once on Earth. Will you argue inconsistencies? Then what makes the planet exploding the feat and not the pickup truck?
Maybe you want to argue collateral damage. Ok.
WBH and Betty, unamped, melted FFF just with the shockwaves of their punches, as per you.
On Earth? Hundreds of times larger than poor Foom? Was he melted?
Them punching each other is the proof. Nothing as shown (with you've consistently being proven wrong) that a wish had anything to with it.
Hulk before going to the Dark Dimension steps were cracking a nearby city and when they returned in their massive forms, that didn't happen. It's called Earth. Doomsday punches going out on Booster Gold didn't kill him but those same punches rocked Superman. Superman got knocked the FO by a gas station explosion but endured Doomsday best shots. 🤷🏾‍♂️
FFF was amped beyond belief and a wish was made for the dragon afterward with the power to conquer a world...
So he was amped.
Originally posted by carver9
Them punching each other is the proof. Nothing as shown (with you've consistently being proven wrong) that a wish had anything to with it.Hulk before going to the Dark Dimension steps were cracking a nearby city and when they returned in their massive forms, that didn't happen. It's called Earth. Doomsday punches going out on Booster Gold didn't kill him but those same punches rocked Superman. Superman got knocked the FO by a gas station explosion but endured Doomsday best shots. 🤷🏾‍♂️
FFF was amped beyond belief and a wish was made for the dragon afterward with the power to conquer a world...
So he was amped.
He was amped, but they were amped more. Look at their size, he was like a small dog to them
Unless you want to argue he was amped more than they were? Proof, please.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was amped, but they were amped more. Look at their size, he was like a small dog to themUnless you want to argue he was amped more than they were? Proof, please.
How do you know they were amped more? Who told you this? He was amped before leaving the DD and amped again when he returned to earth. Size doesn't equal power. Are you ok?
Why are you asking me for proof when you need to provide proof that Umar was out of wishes?
Originally posted by carver9
So she was the only one with one wish?
Looks that way. Or Cosimo's warning to her about backfiring wishes made her think twice .
But the words you're looking for are 'Thanks DS, I didn't know that despite supposedly knowing the story' lmao.
Now tell me where did Rick and Jen die? Let's go through your lies one by one
Originally posted by carver9
How do you know they were amped more? Who told you this? He was amped before leaving the DD and amped again when he returned to earth. Size doesn't equal power. Are you ok?Why are you asking me for proof when you need to provide proof that Umar was out of wishes?
Actually, it does equal power here in this specific case. Tyrannus said Jen and Rick were not only absorbing, they were augmenting the radiation. We see them growing in size.
Augmenting = increasing. They were getting more powerful, and at the same time, bigger.
Read the comic lmao. But tell me, when did Rick and Jen die?