Superman vs. Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry and Count Nefaria

Thor got knocked out by Gladiator. Hulk needed radiation. Cannonball would have been dead instead of being wrapped up in steel bars on a Battle board. Gambit would have died before he even moved on a battle board. But let's take the strongest of the characters mentioned. Thor and hulk. Gladiator beat Thor by knocking him miles across the city and knocked him out. Superman barely moved Thor 5 feet when he knocked Thor out, and admitted he barely won. Hulked knocked out pre-crisis Superman, and was about to over power another. Anni-hulk would murder Superman. Stop talking about characters that superman has been ALLOWED To beat for a heros story in a PRE-Determined outcome. Supreme would MURDER Superman, Image comic made that VERY clear, yet Gladiator bfr Supreme into space and started beating that AZZ. Let's talk about actual strength. I'm going to give you five facts and then I want you to give me five for superman when it comes to strength.
1. Stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED.
2. Strong enough to collapse entire Stars.
3. His DNA made warrior four to five times stronger than Thanos.
4. Fantastic four files. Possesses near limitless strength.
5. The more confident he is the stronger and more powerful he gets.

Now I want to remind you. Superman merged with CM and didn't get any stronger and was amazed at cm's power. The five things I showed you about Gladiator I want you to show me the exact same thing being said about Superman.

What is Gladiator’s best? Wrestling a star? Really? Was that actually captured on panel? Those feats seem really cool but when in actual combat, you’d think the Gladiator would only need to flex to take down Gambit of all people, then he loses against the Hulk, and people scream foul, but then he gets into it with Thor and as corny as this seems, he is once again shown the door. So where is this star level strength? Well I’ll tell you the truth about Gladiator; its all within his mind, and trust me when I say this, Superman will blow every thought out of his mind when he hits him. He’d be bent over by one punch. This would all happen before his never have worked together team realizes what had transpired.

Stoic, superman has been beaten by... WW, Doomsday, Mongol, Atlas, Damage, Orion, Hercules etc. Now answer this question is.. Is Superman stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED?

Okay, why are we mentioning Marvel vs. DC Crossovers? Aren't those all non-canon, with the possible exception of JLA/Avengers?

And as for Supreme, I'm pretty sure that neither Marvel nor DC own that character. Gladiator fighting him can't be canon.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, why are we mentioning Marvel vs. DC Crossovers? Aren't those all non-canon, with the possible exception of JLA/Avengers?

And as for Supreme, I'm pretty sure that neither Marvel nor DC own that character. Gladiator fighting him can't be canon.

Originally posted by JBL
Stoic, superman has been beaten by... WW, Doomsday, Mongol, Atlas, Damage, Orion, Hercules etc. Now answer this question is.. Is Superman stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED?

The good ole Hulk vs Superman in strength argument. Listen there would never be a confrontation to speak of if Superman fought the Hulk. Your approach is a little linear. What you need is the truth Ray that will cure you of your affliction. Before you or Wonder Woman could track what was going on in a fight between the Hulk and Superman, the battle would have been over. Neither you or the Hulk would be aware that he had lost before he ever knew that the fight began, less than a second after it began, and that’s about as long as it would take. The human eye wouldn’t even know that Superman had moved and returned to the same spot that he was in before the fight began.

That’s how fights between characters with not only the top speed of Superman but that also possess his initial travel/burst/or take off speeds would go against far slower opponents.if not we’d just be ignoring that the faster guy actually lives in a different time period than the much slower one.

Think about it like this. You’re playing an MMO, you enter an 8 player raid, the field becomes crowed with adds, suddenly you experience lag, this goes on for 30 seconds, you can barely make out what is going on, you shoot off one complete load out rotation, but become frozen in time after your turn had been taken, your controls on the HUD are red and on cool down , they cool. You begin firing off your load out again after the lag goes away and everything in the room is dead. You look at the damage log and see that you’ve only contributed 10,000 damage while the others contributed over 1,000,000. With Superman, most of Marvel and DC characters would feel like you did during your lag session.

Everything about Gladiator is faith based, he sure does have a cool power set, but he’d be lucky to beat Ultra Boy of LOSH. God gives everyone a measure of faith, and according to Gladiator’s track record, he is one of little faith. Kinda like a car that you’d buy thinking that it wasn’t a lemon, but the moment you go on a long journey it’s true colors are revealed.

Stoic, Gladiator covered galaxies in the Blink of a Gods eye. Superman could never in his life do that. Gladiator wrapped cannonball in steel bars before he knew anything had happened. Gladiator blitzed a machine at near light speed from a few yards. Gladiator is strong enough I to destroy planets with his punches. You are talking a good game with no proof whatsoever for supermans attack speed.

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Originally posted by Astner
Again, I don't really have time to respond to the replies directed at me, and I realized yesterday that there's no point in debating if I can't look up the scenes.

But I did check out the scene in Superman: Up In the Sky, and it's not a dream sequence.

The story ends at the penultimate page of #5, and the last page features a new story where Superman is in chains that continues in #6.

- Superman: Up In the Sky #5

What ....made you think it was a dream sequence?

I assume you've only seen extracts and never the full comic?

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Originally posted by JBL
Stoic, Gladiator covered galaxies in the Blink of a Gods eye. Superman could never in his life do that. Gladiator wrapped cannonball in steel bars before he knew anything had happened. Gladiator blitzed a machine at near light speed from a few yards. Gladiator is strong enough I to destroy planets with his punches. You are talking a good game with no proof whatsoever for supermans attack speed.

Gladiator is a one hitter quitter. He does a high energy stunt, and if he is caught while doing it he pays the price. This always happens to him. So yes, Gladiator is a bad mofo, right up until he gets hit with sufficient force, and then it’s game over. Folded like a chair. Against an Imperiex Probe he’d be beaten so bad that you’d actually begin feeling as bad for him as you did after reading the Death of Captain Mar-Vell.

You continue saying the same thing but Gladiator’s best feats come from putting damage of things that don’t actually fight back. When you actually give it some thought, why in the love of God would he fly to a planet just to punch it apart? Why would he wrestle with a star for no apparent reason? Not saying that it did not happen, but it just seems as if he tested himself against a few things. Ut when the actual battle begins he loses the faith to win.

That’s Gladiator in a shell.

Stoic, did he fold against Tyrant? Did he fold against Hyperion? Did he fold against Hulk? Did he fold against Champion with the power gem? Did he fold against Supreme? Did he fold against Galactus? Do you honestly think that Superman hits harder than Thor's hammer. No.that was already proven.. Galactus, Supreme, Hulk, Tyrant and Champion with the power gem ALL hit harder than Superman and they all would murder Superman if he was in Gladiators place. But answer this.. Sentry beat molecule man. Can Superman beat molecule man?

Tyrant broke his back, and Hyperion without powers is Jimmy Olsen. Hulk was the one that destroyed his faith by fracturing his skull, the Champion gave him a chin check, Supreme was not himself, which is the reason that they didn’t have to replace him with a new Super Guardian, the last confrontation that he had against Galactus ended with him being erased. Galactus has also been toppled by the Thing, Thor is more powerful now, he’d beat Gladiator worse than he did when he took it to the alternate reality version.

Also, if Superman didn’t hit harder than Thor with Mjolnir, I’d think that something was wrong with reality. Have you thought about how much faster Superman can punch in comparison to how fast Thor swings that hammer? My answer is yes Superman can punch harder than Thor can hit with his hammer. Imagine how hard Superman could hit with Mjolnir? They’d probably have to glue the hammer back together for the 4th or 5th time.

Superman actually has faced Tyrant level characters. Whenever he faces off against Darkseid, you are watching him in Gladiator’s place, when he fought the World Forger while not being super amplified, you saw him take more damage than Tyrant had ever dreamed about using which placed the World Forger’s power level at a level that would’ve allowed him to mug Galactus by someone other than Krona.

That was not the Sentry being used in this thread though. Bob was Tony’s autonomous heat seeking missile. This is a character that has visions of his best friends hating him, and I although this belief is false, it is very real to Robert. He has trouble deciphering what is real from what is not., and must find someone of solitary peace until his phobias go away. Marvel depicts him as one of the easiest characters to manipulate. Superman is extremely bright, he’d figure it out in an instant.

As I mentioned, Hyperion and count Nefaria are limited to only being able to move at the speed of sound within an atmosphere, while Superman possesses the innate ability to move through an atmosphere moving at the speed of light.

If the 3 clones ever met him, they’d believe that he was magical because he can do everything that they can, but better.

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If you're going to cite non-canon crossovers, then why can't the Superman side cite Pre-Crisis feats?

Originally posted by carver9
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Gladiator looks good against Nova Prime, but when he challenges 2 tiers above that level he gets wrecked more times than not. That’s roughly a serious Silver Surfer. Now imagine this, Anni-Hulk was 3 tiers above even that. This is the equivalent or power tier that he’d be facing with an average not holding back Superman. Not to mention he, hasn’t even flown to the sun real quick to get shit cracking.

Carver, his failures are due to his faith in actually believing that he can win. It’s a crippling condition that he has, which means that he has four hard weaknesses. Magic, radiation, the Hulk, and his lack of faith. His balloon always deflates the moment that he takes more heat than he can deliver, and pop, there goes his speed, durability, and every other super power in his possession outside of his love for taking it raw. We saw him all but turn over on his stomach for Anni, just laying there… powerless.

Post his glorious showing against Anni-Hulk. What happened to him when Black Dwarf confronted him? That seemed to be a close match for him. Right around where he tiers at.

Again, Anni - Hulk was on Thanos tier, I don't know why you are mentioning him when he is uber AF. You mentioning him is like me mentioning Superman getting one punched by H'el, getting knocked TF out by Kalibak, etc, etc... I don't know why you keep using Superman highs and comparing it to everyone else's average showings. Show me what Darkseid fight you're referencing. You might as well say Diana and Orion stomps Gladiator as well since they've both done well against Darkseid. Heck, if the previews are true, add Black Adam to the list who is about to one punch TF out of Darkseid. You're trippin

Orion does stomp Gladiator.

Stoic knows nothing about comics I see. He doesn't understand that characters like Gladiator even though they have the power to wipe out many opponents they're not going to be allowed to do it by the writers because that's what the story requires. But on a battle board there's no writer here to protect anybody so those characters are going to use their powers to the fullest. So on a battle board what would Gladiator be doing to the fullest stoic? He's not going to be held back by the writer who ignores his power set. We know for a fact that he can cross galaxies in the blink of a God's eye. Superman cannot do that. We know that he is stronger than hulk and Hyperion combined, so on a battle board he will be using that strength. Superman is not that strong, he's not stronger than two Wonder woman, that's a fact. Gladiator hit hard enough to destroy planets, he will not be limited on a battle board he will be using that strength. Show me Superman hitting and destroying the planet with his fist. The same way gladiator is said to be able to collapse entire stars with his bare hands, he will be collapsing Superman's skull, the same way he rips apart a black hole he will rip Superman on a battle board. Stop trying to use hero will win to defend Superman because he's not a hero on a battle board he's just another fighter. Because the minute the writers got tired of people bragging on Superman Doomsday killed his ass, and Superman was going all out and using everything he had and hitting as hard as he can, and got killed by a pitiful hulk rip off.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, Anni - Hulk was on Thanos tier, I don't know why you are mentioning him when he is uber AF. You mentioning him is like me mentioning Superman getting one punched by H'el, getting knocked TF out by Kalibak, etc, etc... I don't know why you keep using Superman highs and comparing it to everyone else's average showings. Show me what Darkseid fight you're referencing. You might as well say Diana and Orion stomps Gladiator as well since they've both done well against Darkseid. Heck, if the previews are true, add Black Adam to the list who is about to one punch TF out of Darkseid. You're trippin

The characters that are argued are measured by how many times they’ve won vs how many times they’ve lost against similar opponents. They are being measured at full capacity. Do any of these guys truly measure up to Superman’s win percentage? Well of course not. Maybe collectively, but that still does not address total wins vs total losses.

Aren’t we supposed to be arguing based upon the most probable scenario for every character entered in a forum battle? Well if that is the case, their individual win/loss percentile and the causes of these wins/losses become very relevant in determining which side is more likely to win.

Superman has gone down by losing to opponents, it happens to all characters. However, how many times does he fight the very same opponent in a rematch and win? It has gotten to the point that the guys that initially defeat him lose multiple times to him as time marches on. Would you agree with this statement?

Do you feel safe to claim that if Gladiator had a rematch with Anni-Hulk that he could win? If you believe that he’d be ruptured again just say it. In my personal opinion though, if Anni-Hulk ever fought him again the results would be the same, and this is based upon his track record of being able to persevere after seeing stars. File closed on Gladiator right?

Needless to say, when Superman pushes himself, it is a well known fact that he becomes stronger, overall in all ways than when he is constantly holding back. He’s mentioned this a few times. Do we ignore this, and instead go with the guy who’s track record is lands him firmly within the mid herald tier, due to the unstable nature of his powers.

But why? It’s based on how much faith he has. This is what makes Gladiator suck to the point of being a laughing stock. Why would I make this claim? Because he truly doesn’t know how hard the punch will be compared to the amount of faith needed to resist said punch, or attack. Hence the reason that he is folded so often.

So, while looking at Superman, he may begin thinking that he may be in for a Wonder Man level punch, but is instead waylaid by a force that he never would have suspected to exist, and is literally left in a fetal position on the ground watching as everything goes black. Gee, well looking at his past performances this pretty much fits Gladiator to a T.

Convincing you that I am actually using all of the characters to their individual best limits, while following the rules of this forum would be easier to believe if you’d just open your mind to what they’ve all shown on panel.

Gladiator’s power levels fluctuate too often to firmly place him above Mid Herald. Superman has beaten opponents on Anni-Hulk’s power level consistently. As such he deserves to rank firmly within the Trans tier when he finally goes all out. This is of course without flying to the sun, which would then have him one shotting Galactus. Did that strike a nerve? Superman took it to Imperiex.

Count the W’s vs the L’s for each of them. Superman deserves being listed as being on a higher tier than the High Herald tier, because he’s won against guys that would toss an entire High Herald team around. Which means, once again, that the ones that he lost to at lower power levels than Darkseid was due to his self induced limitation of never killing. He dials it all the way back in many cases, and is caught napping. It happens, but that loss becomes less of a loss after he goes on to defeat the character that got the drop on, and then even later beats them again, as he has done with Mongul and a number of others that caught him while holding back.

That’s the difference, when Superman takes off the Gladiator gloves, he most of the time exceeds the power that overpowered him while he drastically held back. If not, then how is it possible that he wins against these and similar opponents on a regular basis? Superman is a hero, he has to constantly hold back or he’d be Nolan (Omni Man).

However, even after reading this you’ll likely continue onward with a skewed perception of Superman, and listen to JBL’s comic writer friends who may be suffering from a lack of information on who he thinks will win.

Superman sweeps.