Originally posted by Astner
We have no clue how the sectors are numbered. But we know that the Vega System is located in Sector 2,828. But the Vega System is in the Milky Way Galaxy, and about 25 light-years from the Earth.- Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files
So if we apply Galan's reasoning here then by moving 25 light years you'd be crossing 14 Sectors.
This is why I'm not a fan of cross-referencing.
In case of Gladiator socking Heimdall we have a distance and a time frame: "had to cross galaxies in the blink of a god's eye." We don't have to try to figure out the distance between Chandilar and Asgard, or how long it takes Heimdall to blink.
We can make conservative estimates of the infromation immediately presented to us, and conclude that it's an impressive feat.
Anyway, even new 52 Superman crossed entire universe within 60 days.
Magnitudes faster than the feat and its not even his best feat.
Originally posted by AstnerTrue. The only time we got numbers from Superman's speed if that it would take light hours to catch up with him, and he was amped from Sun dipping then. And it was even stated in the book that that's the fastest he has ever flown. So all that guessing about how fast he has flown can be thrown out the windows we have already seen actual numbers and it's far far slower than gladiators.
We have no clue how the sectors are numbered. But we know that the Vega System is located in Sector 2,828. But the Vega System is in the Milky Way Galaxy, and about 25 light-years from the Earth.- Green Lantern/Sinestro Corps Secret Files
So if we apply Galan's reasoning here then by moving 25 light years you'd be crossing 14 Sectors.
This is why I'm not a fan of cross-referencing.
In case of Gladiator socking Heimdall we have a distance and a time frame: "had to cross galaxies in the blink of a god's eye." We don't have to try to figure out the distance between Chandilar and Asgard, or how long it takes Heimdall to blink.
We can make conservative estimates of the infromation immediately presented to us, and conclude that it's an impressive feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Vega system isn't actually the Vega star which you're referencing.
It's certainly the base of operations for the Omega Men.
- The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained p. 193
And there are no mentions of any other Vega Systems in this hand book. That said, we know for a fact that the Vega System of the Omega Men orbits Vega.
- Omega Men (1983) #33
In fact it even points out that it's 26 light-years from Earth.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, even new 52 Superman crossed entire universe within 60 days.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magnitudes faster than the feat and its not even his best feat.
And I'd be appreciative if you could source these feats as well.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Vega is a different system as shown in Omega Men but it has been confused with the real star as well.
Originally posted by Astner
It doesn't say that though, now does it?
Originally posted by Astner
I think what you're attempting to say here is that the Vega System isn't orbiting Vega? What are you basing this off?It's certainly the base of operations for the Omega Men.
- The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained p. 193
That's the correct info.
And there are no mentions of any other Vega Systems in this hand book. That said, we know for a fact that the Vega System of the Omega Men orbits Vega.
- Omega Men (1983) #33
In fact it even points out that it's 26 light-years from Earth.
This is incorrect info, it's literally five continuity reboots ago lol.
It doesn't say that though, now does it?
It does.
You mentioned at least five feats, and I've yet to see one that could be considered as impressive with conservative estimates.And I'd be appreciative if you could source these feats as well.
Recreating the moon at superspeed
Flying across the universe with a kid in three/four days
Flying across the universe chasing Synmar in moments
Almost breaking the time space barrier against Leviathan teleportation
Flying to Mogo at the center of the universe from Earth in transluminal pathway in moments
It's the same Vega, see the scan above.
No, it's not. Let me share the scans in some time.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Technically, Superman flied from the other side of the universe/the end of the universe to Earth
Originally posted by Astner
I think what you're attempting to say here is that the Vega System isn't orbiting Vega? What are you basing this off?It's certainly the base of operations for the Omega Men.
- The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained p. 193
And there are no mentions of any other Vega Systems in this hand book. That said, we know for a fact that the Vega System of the Omega Men orbits Vega.
- Omega Men (1983) #33
In fact it even points out that it's 26 light-years from Earth.
It doesn't say that though, now does it?
You mentioned at least five feats, and I've yet to see one that could be considered as impressive with conservative estimates.
And I'd be appreciative if you could source these feats as well.
It's the same Vega, see the scan above.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the correct info.
- The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained p. 175
Originally posted by abhilegend
It does.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Recreating the moon at superspeed
Flying across the universe with a kid in three/four days
Flying across the universe chasing Synmar in moments
Almost breaking the time space barrier against Leviathan teleportation
Flying to Mogo at the center of the universe from Earth in transluminal pathway in moments
For all we know Gladiator could've crossed a trillion galaxies. But we're still going to interpret it to be around two, because it doesn't have to mean anything more than that. And the thing about this feat is that you can't reduce it to anything less. Because it's explained that Heimdall can spot a maggot from a thousand worlds away. That's why the feat is so impressive.
Originally posted by Astner
So the Vega System, which in the very same source is referred to as the Vega Star System, has nothing to do with the Vega Star because...?- The DC Book: A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained p. 175
Because its retconned to be a different part of the universe?
It doesn't. Certainly not the way you phrased it. But I guess you can interpret "he's on the other side of the universe," to mean that. But you could just as well argue that it's figurative.
Even the writer confirmed it lol.
I'm not convined they are more impressive. Keep in mind that we're looking for conservative interpretations, not arbitrary ones.
Moving across the universe in days is literally magnitudes above what Gladiator did. Universe has two trillion galaxies.
For all we know Gladiator could've crossed a trillion galaxies. But we're still going to interpret it to be around two, because it doesn't have to mean anything more than that. And the thing about this feat is that you can't reduce it to anything less. Because it's explained that Heimdall can spot a maggot from a thousand worlds away. That's why the feat is so impressive.
Why would he cross trillion of galaxies when Shiar Empire is in a very close to the milky way galaxy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tamaran which is in Vega system is galaxies away as seen in New Teen Titans 24.
Also, just because "galaxies are mere blurs" as they travel there doesn't necessarily mean that they cross galaxies.
Also in the same series, Tamaran's Vega is the visible from Earth with the naked eye, which would not be possible if it was part of another galaxy.
- New Teen Titans (1980) #3
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because its retconned to be a different part of the universe?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even the writer confirmed it lol.
The problem with the claim is that it may well be figurative. Because "on the other side of the universe," is a common figurative expression.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Moving across the universe in days is literally magnitudes above what Gladiator did. Universe has two trillion galaxies.
With Gladiator's feat he "had to cross galaxies in the blink of a god's eye," and given the context it had to be literal.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would he cross trillion of galaxies when Shiar Empire is in a very close to the milky way galaxy.
Originally posted by Endless MikeThanks mate, shame Banks passed away. His books both Scifi and non Sci fi were a source of great pleasure. I am at present working my way through the few William Boyd and Sebastian Faulks books I haven't read. Before looking for new authors.
Nice reference. 😎
Originally posted by RobtardWho else laughcry
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Originally posted by Astner
Where?
Like I said, let me gather my scans, currently at work.
It's not a confirmation, it's a repetition of what's written.
The problem with the claim is that it may well be figurative. Because "on the other side of the universe," is a common figurative expression.
No, it was literally stated to be the end of the universe.
If it's literal then it's certainly a contender. But we don't have to interpret it that way, and that's the problem.
Why would we not take it literally? Both Brainiac and Superman were literally thrown outside of time and space as seen in Convergence.
With Gladiator's feat he "had to cross galaxies in the blink of a god's eye," and given the context it had to be literal.
So does Superman's scene.
I was making a point against arbitray interpretations.
You're arbitrarily assigning different interpretation to a straightforward comic which says Superman was at the end of the universe and flew across it and its reconfirmed by the writer just because some other authors don't take it literally.
Originally posted by Astner
That comic is even older than the comic I cited, and you dismissed for being outdated.Also, just because "galaxies are mere blurs" as they travel there doesn't necessarily mean that they cross galaxies.
Also in the same series, Tamaran's Vega is the visible from Earth with the naked eye, which would not be possible if it was part of another galaxy.
- New Teen Titans (1980) #3
I'll show more recent scans as soon as I get to my home.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because its retconned to be a different part of the universe?Even the writer confirmed it lol.
Moving across the universe in days is literally magnitudes above what Gladiator did. Universe has two trillion galaxies.
Why would he cross trillion of galaxies when Shiar Empire is in a very close to the milky way galaxy.
That scan makes it look like he crossed one galaxy max
But then, it would still be grammatically correct to say 0.4 galaxIES, so....
Meh, maybe we just need to ignore these comic inconsistency and cross-references or interpretations arguments.
That said, again, if we go by recent 'everything counts' route. Superman flies from the rim of the universe to earth in moments, after he was drained by kryptonite and used super-speed to counter/break free from his space-prison
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Comic source is in the scans' name I posted, but it is originated from Superman Special 1, later reprinted in Adventures of Superman - Gil Kane
A few things:
1. That map of the Marvel galaxies is not to scale. Andromeda is 220,000 light-years in diameter and over 2.5 million light-years away.
2. Speaking of Andromeda, it can be seen from Earth with the naked eye, so the claim that you can't see anything outside of the galaxy with the naked eye is false.
3. I have no problem with accepting that Superman was literally on the other side of the universe, although that could involve some margin of error. For example, one could say that Chicago is on the other side of the country from Salt Lake City, even though they are not at exact opposite ends of the country.
4. If the only reference for Vega being galaxies away is a vague 'galaxies pass as mere blurs' (especially since the page also states that it would have been a centuries-long journey without the spaceship, so if you assume that means at the speed of light, that's only talking about a few hundred light-years) and there are multiple references for Vega being in the same location as the RL star, 26 light-years from Earth, then the latter sounds much more reasonable, if no further evidence is presented.
5. If the characters' relative speeds are really too hard to determine, you could always just declare speed to be equal for the purposes of the match.
6. If you're counting Silver Age Superman feats, then he was just plain ridiculous and could likely win this with one hand tied behind his back.
