Originally posted by carver9
So I ask again, how powerful were the ants. Aren't you the same person that mentioned we base things off the showings that are available?. How powerful are the ants, hypocrite?
They weren't that powerful. Hogun and Fandral were beating them. Asgardians (normal ones) were killing them with their normal weapons (swords).
I did not insult you. Please refrain from name-calling from now on, or be reported. Thanks.
Carver, I educated you on this topic six years ago.
Originally posted by carver9
Can someone explain to me how powerful those space ants were? It's like using Konvikt as a low showing for Superman posting those scans as evidence of low balling imo. I thought we gauge characters based off their showings?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They were falling and dying to normal Asgardian weaponry. As it says in the scan :-)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I was basing Monarch on the Captain Atom version seen in Countdown. I don't see Odin losing to SBP.
SBP defeated Darkest Knight lol. Odin would get his teeth punched in.
Neron seems to job a lot, although I admit I'm not familiar with his best feats.
OK?
I know that Trigon destroyed his home planet at age 6 and conquered his home dimension, but IIRC he was considered a punk compared to GDS Darkseid.
That Darkseid was considered equal to Time Trapper and Infinite Man. Odin is nothing at that level lol.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it bluster when TDK himself said he can't beat Prime?
I seriously don't get this. Why are you so adamant in defending objectively inaccurate claims. You've read the comic, you know Superboy Prime died, you know it took Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman to defeat Batman Who Laughs.
And the worst part is, you had no obligation to defend the claim because you weren't the one making it.
Rather than "taking a side" and defending whatever nonsense is purported by it, try making a case for what you actually think and defend those arguments. Because debates aren't determined by consensus agreement. If over half of the forum was convinced that 1 + 1 = 3, the majority would simply be wrong.
Originally posted by Astner
Because the claim wasn't "Superboy Prime was around Batman Who Laugh's power level," the claims was "Superboy Prime beat Batman Who Laughs."I seriously don't get this. Why are you so adamant in defending objectively inaccurate claims. You've read the comic, you know Superboy Prime died, you know it took Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman to defeat Batman Who Laughs.
And the worst part is, you had no obligation to defend the claim because you weren't the one making it.
Rather than "taking a side" and defending whatever nonsense is purported by it, try making a case for what you actually think and defend those arguments. Because debates aren't determined by consensus agreement. If over half of the forum was convinced that 1 + 1 = 3, the majority would simply be wrong.
Ummmm...What?Abhi basically said what I said
This is what Abhi said
Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it bluster when TDK himself said he can't beat Prime?
Then what is SBP's "bluster"(which I and Abhi both don't consider it is a bluster due to the reasons I listed above and Abhi also mentioned DK admitted he can't defeat SBP, right after SBP brought him under his knees)
Originally posted by Astner
Because the claim wasn't "Superboy Prime was around Batman Who Laugh's power level," the claims was "Superboy Prime beat Batman Who Laughs."I seriously don't get this. Why are you so adamant in defending objectively inaccurate claims. You've read the comic, you know Superboy Prime died, you know it took Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman to defeat Batman Who Laughs.
And the worst part is, you had no obligation to defend the claim because you weren't the one making it.
Rather than "taking a side" and defending whatever nonsense is purported by it, try making a case for what you actually think and defend those arguments. Because debates aren't determined by consensus agreement. If over half of the forum was convinced that 1 + 1 = 3, the majority would simply be wrong.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Then what is SBP's "bluster"(which I and Abhi both don't consider it is a bluster due to the reasons I listed above and Abhi also mentioned DK admitted he can't defeat SBP, right after SBP brought him under his knees)
But that doesn't matter because what happened was that Superboy Prime died in that fight and Batman Who Laughs survived the fight, i.e. Batman Who Laughed defeated Superboy Prime, and this outcome is referenced in a subsequent story like I showed.
The only way you can justify your claim is to point to a dictionary and argue that "beat" doesn't necessarily have to mean "defeat." But that's disingenious because when you say that one character beat another it's understood that you meant that said character defeated the other character.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime had beaten TDK to the ground and had him on his mercy to the point TDK was begging for a truce. How's that not a beating?
But making misleading insinuations and falling back on dictionary definitions to justify the way you expressed a claim means that you're not so much interested in establishing what actually happened, but rather to trick users unfamiliar with the story into believing something that didn't happen.
Originally posted by Astner
It was bluster, even in the same panel you have his thoughts expressed in the narration "I...I think I've won."
So your reasoning is SBP said what he thought, I.E, he thought he defeated him. How does it justify your "bluster" stance?
Besides, there are other facts indicate SBP's words( both what he said and he thought) are true. Like I and Abhi pointed out, he had him on his mercy.
1) he could take DK's power at that moment.
2) DK himself admitted he couldn't beat SBP and begged for truce, then when SBP refused, DK could do nothing but wacthed SBP punch him, destroying his dark worlds
Originally posted by Astner
But that doesn't matter because what happened was that Superboy Prime died in that fight and Batman Who Laughs survived the fight, i.e. Batman Who Laughed defeated Superboy Prime, and this outcome is referenced in a subsequent story like I showed.The only way you can justify your claim is to point to a dictionary and argue that "beat" doesn't necessarily have to mean "defeat." But that's disingenious because when you say that one character beat another it's understood that you meant that said character defeated the other character.
If Tyson beats the shit out of another boxer to a point not just brings the boxer to his knees, but also makes him call for a truce. Tyson later dies from a heartattack or something
Then yes, I would call this Tyson defeats said boxer. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp here?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
beat/defeat
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If Tyson beats the shit out of another boxer to a point not just brings the boxer to his knees, but also makes him call for a truce. Tyson later dies from a heartattack or somethingThen yes, I would call this Tyson defeats said boxer. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp here?
To summerize the event: Superboy Prime landed a few good hits, then Batman Who Laugh proposed a truce on the premise that they could not defeat one another, Superboy Prime rejected the offer, and then hit him once more and died from the impact.
So no, Superboy Prime did not defeat Batman Who Laughs.
Originally posted by Astner
Okay, so you agree that beat means defeat.Your example implies that the fight ended at some point in the middle. It didn't.
Originally posted by Astner
The truce Batman Who Laughs offered was based on the premise that they could not destroy one another. Your example further implies that Superboy Prime died due to unrelated causes. He didn't. He died from punching Batman Who Laughs.To summerize the event: Superboy Prime landed a few good hits, then Batman Who Laugh proposed a truce on the premise that they could not defeat one another, Superboy Prime rejected the offer, and then hit him once more and died from the impact a consequence.
If anyone won this fight it was Batman Who Laughs.
Ok, and? the facts still remain, Prime had DK at his mercy, DK admitted he couldn't destroy Prime, then begged for truce. Unless you want to argue DK wanted to help SBP out of kindness? Right after SBP brought him to the ground? And when SBP refused, DK wanted his dark worlds to be destroyed so he let SBP do that?
The best you can argue is DK probably was more durable than SBP, but he clearly can't defeat SBP in a direct fight/SBP defeats him in a direct fight
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, and? the facts still remain, Prime had DK at his mercy, DK admitted he couldn't destroy Prime, then begged for truce.
In other words, Batman Who Laugh couldn't destoy Superboy Prime, and Superboy Prime couldn't destroy Batman Who Laughs.
And let's think about this for a moment, if Superboy Prime had won then why would Batman Who Laughs be in a position to offer a truce? Because a truce is only meaningful if it's made from a position of power.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The best you can argue is DK probably was more durable than SBP, but he clearly can't defeat SBP in a direct fight/SBP defeats him in a direct fight
I can simply point to the fact that Superboy Prime destroyed himself in a botched attempt to destroy Batman Who Laughs.
Originally posted by Astner
Now you're selectively omitting information to further your argument. Batman Who Laughed offered the truce on the premise that they couldn't destroy one another.In other words, Batman Who Laugh couldn't destoy Superboy Prime, [b]and
Superboy Prime couldn't destroy Batman Who Laughs.
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The only way I see you can argue is DK probably slightly overestimated Prime, but he still acknowledged SBP was his equal after Prime gained the upper hand
Originally posted by Astner
And let's think about this for a moment, if Superboy Prime had won then why would Batman Who Laughs be in a position to offer a truce? Because a truce is only meaningful if it's made from a position of power.
That is your argument, seriously? I wonder when did SBP have the power to create worlds/realities, because this is the offer DK gave for the truce, he had the abilities to create worlds/realities, which SBP doesn't have. IOW, he could give what SBP wanted
That doesn't mean SBP didn't beat the shit out of him
Originally posted by Astner
I can simply point to the fact that Superboy Prime destroyed himself in a botched attempt to destroy Batman Who Laughs.That's the literal conclusion of the battle.
1) DK acknowledged both of them at least at the same power levels, after SBP brougt him to the ground
2) SBP could take DK's power at the moment when DK was brought at his knees
3) When Prime refused, DK couldn't do shit but watched Prime punch him and destroy his dark worlds
4) All of these facts support the statements Prime made, he defeated DK in a direct fight
