If Classic Odin is 100 what about these guys

Originally posted by Astner
Now you're selectively omitting information to further your argument. Batman Who Laughed offered the truce on the premise that they couldn't destroy one another.

In other words, Batman Who Laugh couldn't destoy Superboy Prime, [b]and Superboy Prime couldn't destroy Batman Who Laughs.

And let's think about this for a moment, if Superboy Prime had won then why would Batman Who Laughs be in a position to offer a truce? Because a truce is only meaningful if it's made from a position of power.

I don't have to argue anything.

I can simply point to the fact that Superboy Prime destroyed himself in a botched attempt to destroy Batman Who Laughs. [/B]

you need to stop quoting only a portion of other posters' arguments, if you don't have the energy to debate on a full scale you can always concede.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you admitted is DK himself made the statement/acknowledged both of them at least at the same power levels,

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The only way I see you can argue is DK probably slightly overestimated Prime, but he still acknowledged SBP was his equal after Prime gained the upper hand

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That doesn't mean SBP didn't beat the shit out of him

And your entire basis for that argument is that Superboy Prime said "Yeah. I beat your sorry ass."

As far as this debate is concerned there's nothing more to your argument than this.

Furthermore, you conventiently ignore the thought expressed in the narration box, "I...I think I've won," which implies that he--in fact--did not know if he had won.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Which again, doesn't negative anything I said.

1) DK acknowledged both of them at least at the same power levels, after SBP brougt him to the ground

2) SBP could take DK's power at the moment when DK was brought at his knees

3) When Prime refused, DK couldn't do shit but watched Prime punch him and destroy his dark worlds

4) All of these facts support the statements Prime made, he defeated DK in a direct fight

Originally posted by MrMind
you need to stop quoting only a portion of other posters' arguments, if you don't have the energy to debate on a full scale you can always concede.

There's no point in bloating out the replies by addressing repeated arguments, analogies, insults, or unrelated opinion pieces.

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Originally posted by Astner
No I don't, because that's not what was said. What was said was that they couldn't destroy one another. You don't have to infer that they had to be equally powerful for that to be the case. Nor is it a point that matters.

Then what do you think prevent DK from destroying SBP, right after Prime went toe-to-toe with DK and brought him to the ground

[i]Originally posted by Astner
Again, we're not debating whether they're equally powerful or not, we're arguing whether or not Superboy Prime defeated Batman Who Laughs in this specific comic.

We're specifically arguing whether or not he defeated Batman Who Laughs.

And your entire basis for that argument is that Superboy Prime said "Yeah. I beat your sorry ass."

As far as this debate is concerned there's nothing more to your argument than this.

Furthermore, you conventiently ignore the thought expressed in the narration box, "I...I think I've won," which implies that he--in fact--did not know if he had won.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If there is only SBP's bluster, you maybe have a point. But there are also the fact

1) SBP could take DK's power at that moment, unless you want to argue DK deliberately wanted SBP to take his power?

2) After SBP put DK down, DK admitted both of them can't destroy each other and trying to bargain with SBP. And when SBP refused DK's offer, DK couldn't do anything but watch SBP punch him, destroying his dark worlds/realities. Again, unless if you want to argue DK deliberately wanted SBP to destroy his dark worlds, I don't see this isn't a proof that DK is under disadvantage/passive position here

Thus, we have 3 references for the fight between SBP and DK. 1) SBP's own words, I admit, it is not good enough. but plus 2,3? Both indicate SBP has the upper hand here.

Also, I don't think who survived( which is also arguable) at the end == who is a winner in a fight

Originally posted by Astner

[list=1][*]That's not what was said.
[*]I don't remember this. Motivate it.
[*]You have a bad tendency to conflate interpretation with fact. You might want to work on that.
[*]No, not a single one of them do. Even if we assume that Superboy Prime could defeat Batman Who Laughs, that doesn't prove that he did. When you say "Superman Prime defeated Batman Who Laughs," you're asserting that this happened in the story, not that it could've happened.[/list=1]

4. Well, since we covered "not the single one of them do" point, which in turn, again, like I said, all of them support SBP's statements. So if you want the comic's own words, the comic spelled out to you who won the fight

Originally posted by Astner

I only quote the portions of replies that carry a meaningful claim or argument that I disagree with.

There's no point in bloating out the replies by addressing repeated arguments, analogies, insults, or unrelated opinion pieces.

Then maybe you should read the arguments instead of putting your own imaginary words to other people's posts 🙂

Because it seems like you didn't read my posts or even the scan you posted

I mean, how could you read so bad that interpret the opposite of my words

Originally posted by Astner

And your entire basis for that argument is that Superboy Prime said "Yeah. I beat your sorry ass."

As far as this debate is concerned there's nothing more to your argument than this.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Thus, we have 3 references for the fight between SBP and DK. 1) SBP's own words, I admit, it is not good enough. but plus 2,3? Both indicate SBP has the upper hand here.

Originally posted by Astner

It's only a "beating" by semantic technicality.

So, it was a beating. Good.

But making misleading insinuations and falling back on dictionary definitions to justify the way you expressed a claim means that you're not so much interested in establishing what actually happened, but rather to trick users unfamiliar with the story into believing something that didn't happen.

WTF are you talking about, Jesse?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Then what do you think prevent DK from destroying SBP, right after Prime went toe-to-toe with DK and brought him to the ground

And this makes sense when you consider the fact that the energy expelled from from the impact ended up killing Superboy Prime.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
WTF, did you ever read the posts I wrote before?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
1. See above
2. It literally in the scan where SBP thought he defeated DK:https://ibb.co/k0G78hr
3. What do you think the meaning of DK said "no" in your own scan? He was happy about SBP was trying to punch him am I right?
https://i.imgur.com/4KNH4Cw.jpeg
4. Well, since we covered "not the single one of them do" point, which in turn, again, like I said, all of them support SBP's statements. So if you want the comic's own words, the comic spelled out to you who won the fight

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Then maybe you should read the arguments instead of putting your own imaginary words to other people's posts 🙂

Because it seems like you didn't read my posts or even the scan you posted

I mean, how could you read so bad that interpret the opposite of my words

Is it THAT irrelevant, though?

The central point here was that SBP was comparable to DK. The fact that he COULD'VE beaten him, means they're analogous.

Originally posted by Astner
Looking back at the scene, the reason given by Batman Who Laughs is that he didn't want to expend the energy it would take to kill Superboy Prime.

And this makes sense when you consider the fact that the energy expelled from from the impact ended up killing Superboy Prime.

And then DK's attitude to Prime from telling him stand aside to wanting him to join his dark army

https://ibb.co/G3Kbt8t
https://ibb.co/MMyZDgR

So if you want to extrapolate, then I could also make the argument that DK underestimated Prime and after acknowledging how powerful Prime was, he was trying to lure Prime to join him.

Originally posted by Astner
Whether or not Superboy Prime could've defeated Batman Who Laughs is completely irrelevant, because the argument is about whether or not he did. Arguing what Superboy Prime could've done is completely irrelevant because it didn't happen.

But your argument is DK survived Prime's punch, which: 1) Survive =//= win, 2) this happened after the fight between Prime and DK/ They didn't even fight each other. So if you want to go technically, the only fight happened in that comic is Prime overpowered DK and brought him to the ground. I.E, Prime beat DK

Originally posted by Astner
[list=1][*]-
[*]Then why it didn't happen. At the very least you've gone from "SBP defeated DK" to "SBP thought he defeated DK," which is progress.
[*]Why would it matter whether he was happy, hurt, or whatever? We're specifically talking about whether or not he was defeated.
[*]Explain to me why you think these references amount to Superboy Prime defeating Batman Who Laughs.[/list=1]

https://ibb.co/k0G78hr
https://ibb.co/G3Kbt8t

And what made you think I'm conceding? It literally was what I previously said

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So your reasoning is SBP said what he thought, I.E, he thought he defeated him. How does it justify your "bluster" stance?

Besides, there are other facts indicate SBP's words( both what he said and he thought) are true. Like I and Abhi pointed out, he had him on his mercy.

1) he could take DK's power at that moment.
2) DK himself admitted he couldn't beat SBP and begged for truce, then when SBP refused, DK could do nothing but wacthed SBP punch him, destroying his dark worlds

3. Maybe because it shows DK was at the mercy of Prime/DK was at disadvantage here? which supports the statements Prime made?

4. See above

Originally posted by Astner

No, I've read it, it's just that these pieces of evidence support don't support your claim. And if you still think they do, then explain why you think it does.

Originally posted by Astner
Looking back at the scene, the reason given by Batman Who Laughs is that he didn't want to expend the energy it would take to kill Superboy Prime.

And this makes sense when you consider the fact that the energy expelled from from the impact ended up killing Superboy Prime.

Whether or not Superboy Prime could've defeated Batman Who Laughs is completely irrelevant, because the argument is about whether or not he did. Arguing what Superboy Prime could've done is completely irrelevant because it didn't happen.

[list=1][*]-
[*]Then why it didn't happen. At the very least you've gone from "SBP defeated DK" to "SBP thought he defeated DK," which is progress.
[*]Why would it matter whether he was happy, hurt, or whatever? We're specifically talking about whether or not he was defeated.
[*]Explain to me why you think these references amount to Superboy Prime defeating Batman Who Laughs.[/list=1]

No, I've read it, it's just that these pieces of evidence support don't support your claim. And if you still think they do, then explain why you think it does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The central point here was that SBP was comparable to DK. The fact that he COULD'VE beaten him, means they're analogous.

Not once did I suggest that they couldn't be peers.

My argument was specifically directed at the claim "Superboy Prime beat Darkest Knight," in which qwertyuiop1998 conceeded that meant that Superboy Prime had defeated Batman Who Laughs.

This is objetively wrong.

You can interpret it the other way around because Superboy Prime did die in that fight, but the reverse interpretation is not justified under any reasonable premises.

Originally posted by Astner
No, it spefically wasn't.

Not once did I suggest that they couldn't be peers.

My argument was specifically directed at the claim "Superboy Prime beat Darkest Knight," in which qwertyuiop1998 conceeded that meant that Superboy Prime had defeated Batman Who Laughs.

This is objetively wrong.

You can interpret it the other way around because Superboy Prime did die in that fight, but the reverse interpretation is not justified under any reasonable premises.

This is simply splitting hair.

Originally posted by Astner

It's only a "beating" by semantic technicality.

Not to mention, he already agreed that it's a beating, albeit technically.

Originally posted by Astner

This is objetively wrong.

You can interpret it the other way around because Superboy Prime did die in that fight, but the reverse interpretation is not justified under any reasonable premises.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The cropped scan you posted followed by the scene that Prime despised the idea DK could kill him and overpowered DK
https://ibb.co/Q85L2kn

And then DK's attitude to Prime from telling him stand aside to wanting him to join his dark army

https://ibb.co/G3Kbt8t
https://ibb.co/MMyZDgR

So if you want to extrapolate, then I could also make the argument that DK underestimated Prime and after acknowledging how powerful Prime was, he was trying to lure Prime to join him.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But your argument is DK survived Prime's punch, which: 1) Survive =//= win,

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
2) this happened after the fight between Prime and DK/ They didn't even fight each other. So if you want to go technically, the only fight happened in that comic is Prime overpowered DK and brought him to the ground. I.E, Prime beat DK

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And what made you think I'm conceding? It literally was what I previously said

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
3. Maybe because it shows DK was at the mercy of Prime/DK was at disadvantage here? which supports the statements Prime made?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How can you interpret in other way? Did TDK contribute anyway in killing Prime (Mind you, he wasn't actually dead, just transported to Earth prime)?

Originally posted by Astner

He died in the book and put down the comic on Prime Earth. I'm not sure how else you'd interpret it.

If someone beat the shit out of you and then go punch a moving car and dies, did you beat him?

Wut? He was transported back to Prime Earth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention, he already agreed that it's a beating, albeit technically.

qwertyuiop1998 conceded that he meant that Superboy Prime defeated Batman Who Laughs, and he was the one making the claim.

This debates is technically settled. All I have to do to "win" is to list the conditions for defeat in a death match: [list=1][*]Death.
[*]Incapacitation.
[*]Concession of defeat.[/list=1] And ask by which of these conditions Batman Who Laugh was defeated.

Batman Who Laughs didn't die, wasn't incapacitated, and didn't concede defeat. So unless I've missed a condition in the list it definitively proves that he wasn't defeated.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes, but that was never in contention.

Yet, here you are contentioning the shit out of it.

qwertyuiop1998 conceded that he meant that Superboy Prime defeated Batman Who Laughs, and he was the one making the claim.

This debates is technically settled. All I have to do to "win" is to list the conditions for defeat in a death match: [list=1][*]Death.
[*]Incapacitation.
[*]Concession of defeat.[/list=1] And ask by which of these conditions Batman Who Laugh was defeated.

Batman Who Laughs didn't die, wasn't incapacitated, and didn't concede defeat. So unless I've missed a condition in the list it definitively proves that he wasn't defeated.

You're being arguing just for arguing's sake. Prime beat TDK down and had him on his mercy. That he chose to destroy the alternate multiverse TDK created and sacrifice himself has nothing to do with the fight.

Anyway Odin wouldn't even register to TDK.

Originally posted by Astner
Wasn't Trigon killed by Bizarro?

- Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) #46

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, here you are contentioning the shit out of it.

But qwertyuiop1998 already conceded that he used "beat" as a synonym for "defeat," meaning that he's wrong for making it, and that you are wrong for defending it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're being arguing just for arguing's sake.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime beat TDK down and had him on his mercy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That he chose to destroy the alternate multiverse TDK created and sacrifice himself has nothing to do with the fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway Odin wouldn't even register to TDK.