All I can do is quote myself, idk man
Originally posted by Smurph
Ok, first: that is a spear.Second: all this says is “either Proxima lifted Hulk or Hulk lifted a sun. I prefer the second version” … a non-argument.
Further, this is a false premise and a moot point. You call that a lifting feat so the burden is on you to prove your version of events. Here is what we know:
- When Hulk is held down by the weight of a star, he is on his hands and knees.
- When Hulk is shown upright, the weight of the star is no longer in/on him.You say a star-lifting feat happened in between those moments without any panel evidence. So… you have a theory. Maybe a reasonable theory, but weightless in a forum argument (see what I did there?)
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but what about Superboy Prime breaking reality itself, with his punches?
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Originally posted by Diesldude
We know the changes he has made just by punching things andGalan posted this in the other thread.
There you have it clear on panel narration that when he punches he can alter reality.
Those reality changes retconned character histories. It's also not just brainless anger induced hulk type punching.
He can see the changes while it happens, as when he was punching the corrupt supermen and actually sort through the reality changes.
I'll add one more item to your list.
3. hitting DK's creations.
Throughout SBP's history it has been made abundantly clear that he can alter reality, retcon character history.
When he hits things as you've mentioned and when he just punches in empty space like he did when he broke out of the Phantom Zone.No one else has replicated this so it's logical to assume that it is the result of his innate ability.
Bro, there is no alternate interpretation. You think that these events are open to interpretation because you made erroneous assumptions.
Lets look at some of these.
1- That changes can be made if anyone (not just sbp) can incapacitate or kill an alternate superman.This is incorrect.
A. Comic clearly states that all SBP had to do was hit those DK corrupted characters, not Kill, or incapacitate. That was your assumption that went against on panel statement.
B. You said it had to be a Corrupted superman. Can you provide proof from the comic? The comic states "This imaginary stories reject". All of DK's corrupted characters can fit under this criteria. Finally,
C. Superman incapacitated the same corrupted superman and there were no reality changes. superman knocked the other corrupted one out with a single punch. So that punch was just as hard as the one SBP threw. Only SBP's punch made the change.Onto your 2nd erroneous assumption.
"Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations".
Really? When a reality manipulator, re-writes reality, is he always powering those reality alterations? Do you have on panel statement or or narration to prove that dk was powering his reality alterations? If you can't then it's a false assumption.Even if he was powering them, he had made those alterations prior to his battle with Perpetua. A battle that raged across every facet of reality. When she was hitting him, there were no changes other than maybe reality destruction, But when SBP hits him, we have reality changes. Further proof that SBP has this innate ability.
We have enough evidence in the comic and throughout SBP's history that he has this innate ability to change reality. The evidence in the origins comic from last week and SBP's history with on panel evidence, statements and narration leave nothing open to interpretation. If there is another interpretation, it is a misinterpretation based off of lack of knowledge of character and his history and the recent events that are shaping DCU. This isn't a knock on you, not everyone has read every comic in existence, except maybe Alberto, or so he says.
Originally posted by Galan007
I know your post wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd weigh-in...First off, I originally posted those panels from IC to convey the fact that even Alex Luthor was awestruck by the effect that Prime's punches were having on the whole of reality -- he had absolutely no clue how or why such a thing was possible. All he knew is that reality was being restructured before his eyes.
And as has been mentioned ad nauseam: even though Prime had a fixed location/nexus point to strike, that obviously isn't a feat that any random character can replicate. We know this because Kal-L furiously punched/shattered those same walls "for what seems like hours", and caused no repercussions to reality:
https://ibb.co/0ZDTbtB
https://ibb.co/ZGthQ0P_______________________
1.) In that particular scene, the artistic/authorial intent seemed to be that Prime was punching the mirror-like 'wall' of the Phantom Zone itself, imo. Hence this:
Full scene:
https://ibb.co/K6ySPYx
https://ibb.co/2KtXVXR
https://ibb.co/KGbnB1v
https://ibb.co/Kbjg050
https://ibb.co/P5JtLRvI understand that the PZ having a defined space and/or bordering walls doesn't make much sense, but different writers often do whatever they want in cases like this(especially those involving Prime.) Now as for how punching out of the PZ could have altered continuity: I have no rational explanation for that. The PZ isn't historically defined as a multiversal nexus point(certainly not in the same way the Limbo realm or DN are)... But as mentioned in the above scene- that's just what Prime does(nonsensical as it may be):
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2.) Indeed. When Prime struck the Superman knockoff(aka. "Saint"😉, his native world/reality was altered as a direct corollary:
https://ibb.co/qd4JzGSYet when the mainstream Supermen beat the shit out of Saint, his world/reality was never stated(or implied) to have been altered as a result:
https://ibb.co/YXXyRTG
https://ibb.co/mDqC1QxAt this point it is abundantly clear that Prime's punches have an innate ability to alter/affect reality in ways no other being(barring high-end reality manipulators) can... When connecting with certain 'targets' that are in some way intrinsically tied-to creation.
This is an 'ability' that even Rip Hunter mentioned(and found ridiculous) after the events of IC:
https://ibb.co/sKxxMfG
"Everything in history predating the re-creation of the multiverse has gone malleable. Thanks mostly to Mr. Mind and that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe...Punching history. Please..."But it is what it is... /shrug
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3.) Indeed. The battle between Perpetua and DN was being waged across every facet of reality, for multiple issues(to the point where the Source/Overvoid sent in the Chronicler to observe the multiverse's end):
https://ibb.co/bg6MSzx
https://ibb.co/whYLdWV...Yet even Perpetua's attacks were never implied to have subsequently altered DN's creation in a similar manner to Prime's strikes:
https://ibb.co/LY0LZjj
https://ibb.co/51KvGJW
https://ibb.co/C04WWcvNot sure why Prime being able to punch continuity so hard that it switches forms is being lowballed/downplayed to such extremes..? The fact that it is completely illogical doesn't change the fact that he's... Done it. 😕
Originally posted by Philosophía
I think the best way to look at this is, given that Geoff Johns wrote both of them, is how he writes the Phantom Zone.This exact same Phantom Zone effect was shown when Zod trapped Superman in the Phantom Zone:
Now, that is from the outside perspective. What is visible from inside the Phantom Zone? This:
You can see the main Universe from there. But how?
Well, it's explained here:
1). Those are just 'leaks' of images/sounds.
2). You become a Phantom inside thereSo essentially, Prime at best punched the echos of the mainstream so hard that it retconned the history of Beast Boy in the mainstream DCU itself.
It's like me punching my laptop showing a youtube video of Nickelback while I'm on Apokolips and retconning the real life Nickelback into Santana.
So...yeah. He seems to just need not to punch 'air' - i.e. he can punch reality walls [paradise dimension], he can punch images/sounds [phantom zone], or he can punch characters [alternate Supes/TBWL], and he reality warps. And even then -- the fact that he punched to the 5th dimension while he was Superman Prime lends doubt even to that fact. It seems he can punch hard to trigger his reality warping at will.
Originally posted by Galan007
Good stuff. 👆I'd say you're spot-on here.
Originally posted by carver9None of what you said is shown on panel. You're just making up shit.
None of what you said is shown on panel. Don't even know how you came to the conclusion of her lifting him up or the weight being gone. You're just making up shit.
I don't have to prove anything. You're claiming that Hulk lifted the weight of a star, so... prove it. Point to the panel.
Originally posted by carver9I haven't added anything.
Him standing up when the Proxima pulls out the sword is proof. You adding things in between that "that is not shown on panel", the burden of proof is on you, my friend.
The bottom line is that you do not know, and cannot show, whether Hulk got up before, after, or while the spear was removed.
You cannot point to a panel and say: here is Hulk lifting the weight of a star. And you can't somehow shift the burden of proof to get around that problem. It's not on me to prove that Hulk didn't lift a star.
Originally posted by Smurph
I haven't added anything.The bottom line is that you do not know, and cannot show, whether Hulk got up before, after, or while the spear was removed.
You cannot point to a panel and say: here is Hulk lifting the weight of a star. And you can't somehow shift the burden of proof to get around that problem. It's not on me to prove that Hulk didn't lift a star.
Proof.
Hulk is hit with the weight of a star and its mentioned here.
https://ibb.co/1nV60Xq
https://ibb.co/wRcR9mZ
The next time we see Hulk, he's standing up and Proxima pulls the sword out.
Nothing here is mentioned about the weight being removed (this is obvious because he would've attacked). Nothing here shows Proxima lifting him up off the ground. Clean and clear.
Re: Most powerful physical feat
Originally posted by Endless MikeAchoooo?
The guy in this video claims that the Hulk's feats here are the best ever in comics:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8SPAxZT4g
But is that true? Post the best feats of pure physical strength in comic books.
Rules:
1. You need to post scans. Just mentioning stuff doesn't count, because we need proof (there was that 'Lobo lifted the universe' rumor, for example)
2. No powerscaling feats. I mean no feats based on performance against other characters. 'This punch knocked back/hurt/killed this guy, who is crazy powerful so the punch is that powerful'. So just knocking out the Hulk or Superman doesn't count unless the strike also has some kind of measurable effect on something else. This is to prevent arguments about scaling different characters and such. Also, hyperbole statements like 'his/her strength is infinite' don't count. We need actual feats.
3. Any kind of physical feats are allowed: punching, kicking, lifting, throwing, thunderclapping, stomping, karate chopping, etc. It just has to be done with physical strength.
4. Amping is allowed. Captain Marvel or Black Adam using magic to amp up their punches is fine, as long as the feat comes from the actual impact of the punch. Characters who have temporary powerups are also allowed - we're looking for the best feat, not necessarily what feats are representative of a character at their typical levels.
I will submit this for my first entry: Bronze Age Superman physically destroys a pyramid that was able to survive unharmed within the Big Bang:
https://i.imgur.com/sL4aipP.jpg
https://imgur.com/1VqCjPX.jpg
https://imgur.com/msHKBLH.jpg
https://imgur.com/JvVnq81.jpg
https://imgur.com/yI0tn1C.jpgI think this beats the Hulk's feat.
Post something that beats this, if you can.
Originally posted by carver91. The weight of a star is holding him down.
Proof.Hulk is hit with the weight of a star and its mentioned here.
https://ibb.co/1nV60Xq
https://ibb.co/wRcR9mZThe next time we see Hulk, he's standing up and Proxima pulls the sword out.
Nothing here is mentioned about the weight being removed (this is obvious because he would've attacked). Nothing here shows Proxima lifting him up off the ground. Clean and clear.
There is no panel depicting Hulk lifting the spear. You are inferring that it happened, but it is at least equally possible that Proxima first removed the spear, allowing Hulk to get up.
You don't know the order of events, and the fact that you keep ignoring that hole in your argument just underlines your bias.
Originally posted by Smurph
1. The weight of a star is holding him down.
2. When he is next standing, the spear has been removed.There is no panel depicting Hulk lifting the spear. You are inferring that it happened, but it is at least equally possible that Proxima first removed the spear, allowing Hulk to get up.
You don't know the order of events, and the fact that you keep ignoring that hole in your argument just underlines your bias.
Word of advice when dealing with Carver - he honestly thinks people are out to get him, and he stubbornly digs in. You need to lead him slowly, step by step. He thinks a certain way, then will quickly speed read your post and latch onto random words then argue against them.
Carver, post the EXACT panel (crop it if needed) which shows Hulk FIRST standing up, THEN PM removing the spear. That's what Smurph and other have been arguing this entire past decade or so.
Reread that part of our posts. Stop and think. Read again. Then post. Prove this sequence of events:
1ST: HULK STANDS UP
2ND: PM REMOVES SPEAR.
If you can't, then it's equally likely the order is reversed, i.e. she removed the spear first, then he stood up.
Originally posted by carver9
Doctor Strange sent a team to take Order, the other half of In-Betweener, in a room that he thought Chaos was trapped in (In-Betweener split in 2)...When they get there to free the other half, it wasn't really him, it was Chaos using so much power to contain Hulk that it appeared as the other half was being trapped...
He admits that it is taking nearly all of his power to contain the Hulk...
He admits again that he got most of his power back after letting Hulk go...
So the question should be, how powerful are the other halves? Well, one of them were able to control a Phoenix user and an infinity gauntlet user...
Their mere presence alone is enough to fray the threads of reality...
One of the halves mentioned that the other half is trying to destroy the entire Universe...
Moral. Strange sent a crew to free Order in a room that was generating enough power to make Strange think it was the other half even though it was the Hulk being contained by Chaos using most of his power to hold a Hulk that was still getting stronger. The halves are so powerful that their presence alone was ripping reality apart and they were controlling some powerful players with ease.
Actually, it was the corrupted Cosmic Cube and Longshot that was tearing reality apart, not the In-Betweener:
All the wishes he made was tearing reality apart:
Confirmed by the In-Betweener(s), who had no knowledge of what was happening - they litrally say it has nothing to do with them (your sentence saying one of them was admitting it was just flat out wrong):
Plus, you know, it being an alt. reality Hulk.
Myth: busted!
