Most powerful physical feat

Started by Endless Mike22 pages
You can roll you eyes of course -- but it doesn't make Hulk's showing any bigger of a feat. You can remove the coal feat, sure.

I'm keeping it, because it's funny. Although ranking it is pretty much just guesswork.

There's a difference between outliers [some of the feats in this list] and non-feats [or better said, not considerably impressive feats]. The Hulk feat is not an outlier, because the parameters concerning its magnitude are simply not impressive.

I don't want to argue that Superman can punch the DC Universe away just because he punched the QWEWK one away because I do not have the required data to make that assertion. I don't blankly make false equivalencies that all Universes are equal -- and even moreso if I was in the situation to the Hulk feat where there is even counter-evidence, like light/sound and composition parameters -- which completely nullify it. As I said - "Universe" and "Cosmos" are not information about its size or composition. We have the information about its size and composition in the very issue the showings takes place.

Well let's look at it again. Before the punch that created the light, there was actually light beforehand when the Dark-Crawler first appeared, and Bruce could see just fine until the Scepter of Shadows turned everything dark. So it seems that the statement "Creating an accidental release of heat and flashing light which illumines an eons-dark cosmos" was contradicted, since it wasn't dark for eons beforehand. But one way to reconcile this is to say that that statement referred to the entire cosmos/dimension being lit up, as opposed to just part of it. Under this interpretation, the light we saw previously didn't illuminate the entire dimension, but that light would have been traveling at lightspeed (probably). So in order for the light created by the Hulk's punch to light up the entire dimension, as opposed to just part of it, which normal light failed to do, then that light must have been traveling faster than light. Yeah, makes very little sense. Let me see if I can try to phrase this idea more simply:

- Statement: The dimension was dark for eons
- Assumption: The previous statement referred to the entirety of the dimension, and wasn't counting local light sources that only illuminated parts of it
- Fact: There was light in the dimension before the Hulk's punch, just recently (and not eons ago)
- Assumption: That light before the punch didn't light up the whole dimension, which is why it could still be referred to as an 'Eons-dark cosmos'
- Inference: The Hulk's punch lit up the entire dimension at once

As to how this relates to the dimension's size:

- Fact: There was light in the dimension before the Hulk's punch, just recently (and not eons ago)
- Assumption: That light before the punch didn't light up the whole dimension, which is why it could still be referred to as an 'Eons-dark cosmos'
- Fact: Light travels at lightspeed (although possibly questionable due to weird dimensional physics)
- Inference: The light present before Hulk's punch was traveling at lightspeed
- Inference: Even traveling at lightspeed, that light failed to reach the far ends of the dimension, because it didn't fully illuminate it
- Inference: The light released by the Hulk's punch, which did fully illuminate the dimension, was somehow traveling faster than lightspeed

Wonky dimensional physics? Who knows.

I'd agree that it's probably about as large as Earth given that light covered the entire dimensionin moments -- I'll give you that, so we've found common ground here. So a space about big as Earth illuminated, alongside a deflection of multiple islands-busting.

So I'd say the Update I put is fairly accurate.

If it was the size of Earth, then wouldn't the light that was present there beforehand have been enough to fully illuminate it?

As for the rest, I'll post an updated list with some notes in a bit.

Point is, there's debate about this feat, that it may not be as impressive as I've ranked it, but there is debate about a lot of other feats here too, such as the infinite book one.

Lol... of course he scratches out Hulk fts.
See what I mean? They NEVER ask superman fans for proof.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can and give different characters equal benefit of the doubt here. But I do think Superman's feats make him stronger than the Hulk (in most versions and circumstances).

Hulk lifting the weight of a Star, Hyperion holding back two universes, Gladiator containing an explosion that would have annihilated half the solar system and collapsing a star and tearing apart a black hole.

I have seen these but in this thread you should post scans.

. Destroying a multiverse with a punch which was a lie, why didn't he question that?

I don't know about Superman doing that, but the SBP feat posted (once I read all the context) did legitimately have him doing that.

Better than being choked out by a snake.

To be fair, I recall that the writer of the snake incident had stated that his intention was for it to be an enormous, monster-like snake, thicker than a large tree trunk, but the artist drew it a lot smaller than he wanted. Still a pretty low showing, though.

Pretty sure theres some feats of Mon El moving stars too.

You should post them so I can add them.

Updated list (with notes)

1. Ultraman lifts infinite book (*)
2. TIE: Superman and Captain Marvel lift infinite book/Hulk and Ironclad shake infinite dimensions/Superman and Jaxon's fight releases enough energy to fix infinite timelines (*)
3. Superboy Prime destroys more than 3 universes with a punch
4. Flashes racing releases enough energy to disturb the multiverse
5. Superman breaks through Hypertime back to his own timeline
6. Superman destroys Big-Bang-proof pyramid
7. Hulk reverses dimension-destroying blast with a thunderclap (*) (x)
8. Hulk's punch lights up dark cosmos/dimension (*) (x)
9. Superman sneezes away solar system
10. Superman breaks star-moving chains
11. Superman moves giant star with his breath
12. Lobo pulls Pulsar Stargrave
13. [Don't recognize the character] holds a star in his hand (#)
14. Superboy throws mini neutron star
15. Wonder Woman moves the sun
16. Hulk resists/survives weight of a star (*) (x)
17. Hulk walks through Vector's blast
18. Superman bench presses weight of Earth for 5 days
19. Superman changes diamond into coal (*)
20. Superman catches 2 ton weight

(*) signifies there is debate about the power/nature/applicability of the feat
(x) indicates I have changed the wording to something many would probably consider less misleading
(#) indicates I still need more context on this feat, like who the character was and what was going on there

Please post some more.

Any chance you can reply earlier than once a week? You were more active until we started this discussion, then you seem to vanish for days on end.

If your conclusion is based on the arguments, it should be faster. I hope your arguments aren't based on the conclusion.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm keeping it, because it's funny. Although ranking it is pretty much just guesswork.
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It's your list. Whatever makes you chuckle.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
- Statement: The dimension was dark for eons
- Assumption: The previous statement referred to the entirety of the dimension, and wasn't counting local light sources that only illuminated parts of it
- Fact: There was light in the dimension before the Hulk's punch, just recently (and not eons ago)
- Assumption: That light before the punch didn't light up the whole dimension, which is why it could still be referred to as an 'Eons-dark cosmos'
- Inference: The Hulk's punch lit up the entire dimension at once

As to how this relates to the dimension's size:

- Fact: There was light in the dimension before the Hulk's punch, just recently (and not eons ago)
- Assumption: That light before the punch didn't light up the whole dimension, which is why it could still be referred to as an 'Eons-dark cosmos'
- Fact: Light travels at lightspeed (although possibly questionable due to weird dimensional physics)
- Inference: The light present before Hulk's punch was traveling at lightspeed
- Inference: Even traveling at lightspeed, that light failed to reach the far ends of the dimension, because it didn't fully illuminate it
- Inference: The light released by the Hulk's punch, which did fully illuminate the dimension, was somehow traveling faster than lightspeed

Wonky dimensional physics? Who knows.

If it was the size of Earth, then wouldn't the light that was present there beforehand have been enough to fully illuminate it?

A candle's light cannot illuminate an entire city.

The light from the sun can. Or the light from a nuke [imagine without the destruction!]

Both the light from the candle, and from the nuke, and from the sun travel at the speed of light.

Just because the nuke lit up the city, and the candle did not, does not mean that the light from the nuke travels faster than the light from the candle. Or faster than the light from the sun.

Stop making these non-arguments, Mike. It should be beneath you.

You're trying to circumvent the point, Mike. Whether Hulk releasing the heat and light was the first or the second time in that issue that there was light present in the dimension -- what matters is that the light itself [of greater intensity] engulfed the entire cosmos in its entirety in moments -- thus the actual size of the cosmos cannot be more than a few light moments.

The fact that there are different sources of light inside this small dimension, of different magnitudes, doesn't change the fact that one of sufficient magnitude [like the explosion Hulk produced] lit up all of its volume in moments.

The facts that we have about the cosmos, concerning its make-up:
1. It is composed of a few floating islands [composition]
2. It is illuminated by light in moments -- here, I'm willing to give you leeway, and say it's seconds. 2 seconds? 3 seconds? [light-seconds size]
3. It is destroy by sonic beams in moments -- again, which limits the amount of area that can be destroyed.

Respond quick, preferably with good arguments. Then, before we move on to the next feats, I suggest you start reading up on them, then placing them properly, because I don't want you taking week-sabbaticals to actually read the comics and make up non-arguments for a conclusion you already have.

Point is, there's debate about this feat, that it may not be as impressive as I've ranked it, but there is debate about a lot of other feats here too,
I can't believe you can't see the difference in the discussions, Mike.

The impressiveness of the feat we're talking about is based on baseless assumptions that you make regarding the composition and size of the cosmos, which goes in direct contradiction with the parameters the comic actually gives us -- that make it a non-worthy feat of where it's placed. We have no statement they are infinite, or galaxy sized, or solar system sized even -- quite the opposite - you just choose to assume that it is. And then you're making Dick Grayson and his parents proud trying to work your way back from the assumption, when we both know you have nothing. I gave you a chance to read the comic that you haven't in years to adjust your ranking -- but the ego is too much. It is, honestly, hilarious.

So I can say you're giving me hearty laugh with your repeated attempts to bolster than you have a very high burden of proof, as you're doing all of this.

1. No, I just got busy with some stuff, also my internet is not that reliable recently...

2. Well it was more than a candle's light, there was an ambient light that was bright enough for Bruce and Betty to see, so it was some kind of ubiquitous glow at least. Such a glow would have been long enough in duration to be seen from a distance much farther than the distance the Hulk's light reached in seconds, if they were both traveling at the speed of light.

3. We don't know how many of the 'floating islands' there were, or for how far they extended. A border or end to them was never shown or referenced.

4. Like I mentioned, dimensions like Dormammu's, which is as large as the 616 universe, have also been illuminated to their far ends in moments:

http://i.imgur.com/SzIZMFj.jpg

Wacky dimensional physics. So this isn't exactly proof of the dimension's size.

5. Said 'sonic beams' also destroyed the entire dimension, which is something that RL sonic waves can't do. Blame it on the Dark-Crawler's magical nature.

6. Again, the size of the dimension is never stated. But if you're really so insistent on this, I can revise its placing in the list using the assumption that it's roughly earth-sized, using the reference from Marvel Fanfare #8.

7. You can really stop with the appeal to motive stuff. I'm not nearly as confrontational as I used to be about this kind of thing.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. No, I just got busy with some stuff, also my internet is not that reliable recently...
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Originally posted by Endless Mike
2. Well it was more than a candle's light, there was an ambient light that was bright enough for Bruce and Betty to see, so it was some kind of ubiquitous glow at least. Such a glow would have been long enough in duration to be seen from a distance much farther than the distance the Hulk's light reached in seconds, if they were both traveling at the speed of light.

3. We don't know how many of the 'floating islands' there were, or for how far they extended. A border or end to them was never shown or referenced.

4. Like I mentioned, dimensions like Dormammu's, which is as large as the 616 universe, have also been illuminated to their far ends in moments:

http://i.imgur.com/SzIZMFj.jpg

Wacky dimensional physics. So this isn't exactly proof of the dimension's size.

5. Said 'sonic beams' also destroyed the entire dimension, which is something that RL sonic waves can't do. Blame it on the Dark-Crawler's magical nature.

6. Again, the size of the dimension is never stated. But if you're really so insistent on this, I can revise its placing in the list using the assumption that it's roughly earth-sized, using the reference from Marvel Fanfare #8.

7. You can really stop with the appeal to motive stuff. I'm not nearly as confrontational as I used to be about this kind of thing.

It's not about the distance it reaches, it's about illuminating the cosmos. If I light up a candle [or a torch -- whatever feels better, I was just using an example of different magnitudes], and then 1 second after I set off a nuke -- the light of the torch will reach the city faster than the light of the nuke. But the torch doesn't illuminate the city, the nuke does. And it doesn't mean the nuke's light travelled faster. Need I point you that your argument right now is that light travels on one speed sometimes, and on another speed other times in literally the same space, whatever suits your argument? I don't think I need to say more here, right?

We know that the floating islands were destroyed by a sonic beams, so we have a rough idea on how many there were based the time it took for the attack to destroy them all, which was again very brief. Which jives with the dimension not being big -- information which we also got from the light filling it up in moments. Don't tell me -- the sonic waves actually are also fast enough to travel a normal sized Universe nigh-instantly, am I right?

It's tiresome, Mike.

Bringing up Dormammu's dimension has nothing to do with your proving your case regarding the dimension one we're talking about. I can show Universes where the physics are looney tunes, where there's no colors, where unicorns fart planets -- it doesn't matter. That doesn't provide anything regarding the particular dimension and arguments we're actually talking about. Also, a pooling of stuff like magic, power cosmic [estoric attacks, both of which can travel FTL] in Dormammu's Universe doesn't prove anything even for light in that dimension, anyway -- which is not the one we're talking about in the first place, so it would be irrelevant. Again, a mess.

I wouldn't be this combative if you simply stop ignoring evidence and then make stuff up. Even you, at this point, must realize that you just simply not only do not have evidence to prove anywhere near even a solar system [nevermind your original position -- which is randomly just as big as 616], but you are actively ignoring the two blatant very precise instruments of measure at hand - light and sound.

But anyhow -- yes, I agree about Earth sized. Hell -- if you think it's more reasonable to make it bigger, like Earth-Moon system sized, please do. Make it 3 times bigger [how much time do you think it passed between the light being released and the cosmos being illuminated? Takes that number and make it in light-seconds distance, I don't have any problems with it] But that's the keyword -- reasonable based on the evidence.

Now that we finished with that, can we move on to the others, so we can finish with Hulk?

Here:

Hulk is immobilised by the weight of a star -> read Infinity (2014) #6
Hulk and Ironclad affect the pathways which is felt in different dimensions -> read IH#305. To really get the overview, I suggest you read the entire story-arc [and also it's a great storyline so you won't waste your time].

Originally posted by Endless Mike
also my internet is not that reliable recently...

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It's not about the distance it reaches, it's about illuminating the cosmos. If I light up a candle [or a torch -- whatever feels better, I was just using an example of different magnitudes], and then 1 second after I set off a nuke -- the light of the torch will reach the city faster than the light of the nuke. But the torch doesn't illuminate the city, the nuke does. And it doesn't mean the nuke's light travelled faster. Need I point you that your argument right now is that light travels on one speed sometimes, and on another speed other times in literally the same space, whatever suits your argument? I don't think I need to say more here, right?

I'm just saying that the physics of these dimensions are weird. When Dark-Crawler first appears, it says that "the softly glowing sphere seems to fill an entire universe with unearthly light", and yet that still somehow didn't illuminate it like the Hulk's punch did.

We know that the floating islands were destroyed by a sonic beams, so we have a rough idea on how many there were based the time it took for the attack to destroy them all, which was again very brief. Which jives with the dimension not being big -- information which we also got from the light filling it up in moments. Don't tell me -- the sonic waves actually are also fast enough to travel a normal sized Universe nigh-instantly, am I right?

It's tiresome, Mike.

It's not like there isn't precedent for that kind of stuff in these magical dimensions, or with magical/supernatural sound waves crossing distances at much faster than sound speed in both Marvel and DC.

Just a quick search found me Black Bolt's voice instantly reaching the opposite end of a planet (at the speed of sound it would take hours) but there are many faster sonic wave feats I can recall, although it might take me longer to find them:

https://imgur.com/sqTc1nD

Bringing up Dormammu's dimension has nothing to do with your proving your case regarding the dimension one we're talking about. I can show Universes where the physics are looney tunes, where there's no colors, where unicorns fart planets -- it doesn't matter. That doesn't provide anything regarding the particular dimension and arguments we're actually talking about. Also, a pooling of stuff like magic, power cosmic [estoric attacks, both of which can travel FTL] in Dormammu's Universe doesn't prove anything even for light in that dimension, anyway -- which is not the one we're talking about in the first place, so it would be irrelevant. Again, a mess.

You're right, it doesn't prove anything. And I'm not trying to prove anything 100%, just to show that there is room for interpretation here. The physics of these things in such dimensions are not precisely known, so you can't say with certainty that it has to be smaller or larger than any given size. As I said, I'm fine with Earth size if you insist.

I wouldn't be this combative if you simply stop ignoring evidence and then make stuff up. Even you, at this point, must realize that you just simply not only do not have evidence to prove anywhere near even a solar system [nevermind your original position -- which is randomly just as big as 616], but you are actively ignoring the two blatant very precise instruments of measure at hand - light and sound.

Well my initial argument was based on the fact that the terms 'cosmos' and 'universe' were repeatedly used to describe it, instead of 'dimension' or 'pocket universe', which are usually smaller, and that many other alternate/magical dimensions in Marvel are shown to be at least comparable in size to 616 (Dormammu's Dark Dimension, Negative Zone, Quantum Zone, Darkforce dimension, Mephisto's realm, etc.) In fact, I am having trouble thinking of many dimensions in Marvel (aside from temporary ones created by some scientific experiment or with a character's powers) that are only city/island/planet-sized. Although I am sure that they exist. I suppose I could track down info about every single one of entries here (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category😄imensions) and see if I could find an average size, but that would be way too much work. So earth size is fine.

Here:

Hulk is immobilised by the weight of a star -> read Infinity (2014) #6

Well I changed that one to resists/survives, because simply not being squashed and remaining conscious under that weight is a feat.

Hulk and Ironclad affect the pathways which is felt in different dimensions -> read IH#305. To really get the overview, I suggest you read the entire story-arc [and also it's a great storyline so you won't waste your time].

I did read it, although it was a while ago. I know that the intention was likely due to the properties of the Crossroads linking to infinite dimensions, but it did technically cause damage in all of them, which adds up to infinite force. Still I call it an outlier and a nonsensical feat, but I'm including a lot of these here in this thread.

Also, is there any particular reason you're only singling out the Hulk feats on the list? Even though many others are just as questionable?

Hulk was on his knees during the beginning of the weight...

https://ibb.co/HN0Mqfg

Last panel he is standing up. He lifted the weight...

https://ibb.co/3yNM07P

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was on his knees during the beginning of the weight...

https://ibb.co/HN0Mqfg

Last panel he is standing up. He lifted the weight...

https://ibb.co/3yNM07P

Well I will read the comic and get back to you on it.

Meanwhile, how about posting some more feats?

Originally posted by Endless Mike

You should post them so I can add them.

Legion of Super-Heroes (1984) issue 48

https://ibb.co/c1sTY1X
https://ibb.co/jvQkYyJ
https://ibb.co/2vqWC8R
https://ibb.co/gDfR61g
https://ibb.co/C27m5rV
https://ibb.co/72Zzn1R

Worth noting in later issue( issue 50), Mon-El was able to casually smash planet at Time Trapper after receiving a severe beating
https://ibb.co/pX3wtMf
https://ibb.co/Zhpg45B
https://ibb.co/6FwdDtK
https://ibb.co/MPH3CD5
https://ibb.co/KXBrL7f
https://ibb.co/cX6YCdP
https://ibb.co/f1gk7nw

Originally posted by Endless Mike
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Well my initial argument was based on the fact that the terms 'cosmos' and 'universe' were repeatedly used to describe it, instead of 'dimension' or 'pocket universe', which are usually smaller, and that many other alternate/magical dimensions in Marvel are shown to be at least comparable in size to 616 (Dormammu's Dark Dimension, Negative Zone, Quantum Zone, Darkforce dimension, Mephisto's realm, etc.) In fact, I am having trouble thinking of many dimensions in Marvel (aside from temporary ones created by some scientific experiment or with a character's powers) that are only city/island/planet-sized. Although I am sure that they exist. I suppose I could track down info about every single one of entries here (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category😄imensions) and see if I could find an average size, but that would be way too much work. So earth size is fine.

What are you talking about? Most pocket dimensions are way smaller. There's an entire Magik mini about that where the splintered realms (Mephisto's realm, Dark Dimension etc) were merged and it was really small.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well I will read the comic and get back to you on it.

Meanwhile, how about posting some more feats?

Doctor Strange sent a team to take Order, the other half of In-Betweener, in a room that he thought Chaos was trapped in (In-Betweener split in 2)...

https://ibb.co/J37vTrq

When they get there to free the other half, it wasn't really him, it was Chaos using so much power to contain Hulk that it appeared as the other half was being trapped...

https://ibb.co/bHM0gqy

He admits that it is taking nearly all of his power to contain the Hulk...

https://ibb.co/Nryc5gF

He admits again that he got most of his power back after letting Hulk go...

https://ibb.co/TtzV65B

So the question should be, how powerful are the other halves? Well, one of them were able to control a Phoenix user and an infinity gauntlet user...

https://ibb.co/sCYPwnB

Their mere presence alone is enough to fray the threads of reality...

https://ibb.co/RyXzF31

One of the halves mentioned that the other half is trying to destroy the entire Universe...

https://ibb.co/wCrwyXW

Moral. Strange sent a crew to free Order in a room that was generating enough power to make Strange think it was the other half even though it was the Hulk being contained by Chaos using most of his power to hold a Hulk that was still getting stronger. The halves are so powerful that their presence alone was ripping reality apart and they were controlling some powerful players with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
Doctor Strange sent a team to take Order, the other half of In-Betweener, in a room that he thought Chaos was trapped in (In-Betweener split in 2)...

https://ibb.co/J37vTrq

When they get there to free the other half, it wasn't really him, it was Chaos using so much power to contain Hulk that it appeared as the other half was being trapped...

https://ibb.co/bHM0gqy

He admits that it is taking nearly all of his power to contain the Hulk...

https://ibb.co/Nryc5gF

He admits again that he got most of his power back after letting Hulk go...

https://ibb.co/TtzV65B

So the question should be, how powerful are the other halves? Well, one of them were able to control a Phoenix user and an infinity gauntlet user...

https://ibb.co/sCYPwnB

Their mere presence alone is enough to fray the threads of reality...

https://ibb.co/RyXzF31

One of the halves mentioned that the other half is trying to destroy the entire Universe...

https://ibb.co/wCrwyXW

Moral. Strange sent a crew to free Order in a room that was generating enough power to make Strange think it was the other half even though it was the Hulk being contained by Chaos using most of his power to hold a Hulk that was still getting stronger. The halves are so powerful that their presence alone was ripping reality apart and they were controlling some powerful players with ease.


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Originally posted by Endless Mike

To be fair, I recall that the writer of the snake incident had stated that his intention was for it to be an enormous, monster-like snake, thicker than a large tree trunk, but the artist drew it a lot smaller than he wanted. Still a pretty low showing, though.

You completely missed the point of me posting those. It was so I could use Carter's "Hulk is Hulk" against him. 😆

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm just saying that the physics of these dimensions are weird. When Dark-Crawler first appears, it says that "the softly glowing sphere seems to fill an entire universe with unearthly light", and yet that still somehow didn't illuminate it like the Hulk's punch did.

It's not like there isn't precedent for that kind of stuff in these magical dimensions, or with magical/supernatural sound waves crossing distances at much faster than sound speed in both Marvel and DC.

Just a quick search found me Black Bolt's voice instantly reaching the opposite end of a planet (at the speed of sound it would take hours) but there are many faster sonic wave feats I can recall, although it might take me longer to find them:

https://imgur.com/sqTc1nD

You're right, it doesn't prove anything. And I'm not trying to prove anything 100%, just to show that there is room for interpretation here. The physics of these things in such dimensions are not precisely known, so you can't say with certainty that it has to be smaller or larger than any given size. As I said, I'm fine with Earth size if you insist.

Well my initial argument was based on the fact that the terms 'cosmos' and 'universe' were repeatedly used to describe it, instead of 'dimension' or 'pocket universe', which are usually smaller, and that many other alternate/magical dimensions in Marvel are shown to be at least comparable in size to 616 (Dormammu's Dark Dimension, Negative Zone, Quantum Zone, Darkforce dimension, Mephisto's realm, etc.) In fact, I am having trouble thinking of many dimensions in Marvel (aside from temporary ones created by some scientific experiment or with a character's powers) that are only city/island/planet-sized. Although I am sure that they exist. I suppose I could track down info about every single one of entries here (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category😄imensions) and see if I could find an average size, but that would be way too much work. So earth size is fine.

If it didn't illuminate it entirely, that simply means that it wasn't a powerful enough source to do so for all of it -- or it did, and it just simply happened [twice] that the eons dark cosmos [previously to these events] was illuminated. Either way -- it's a baseless and quite frankly asinine assumption that light is one moment at a certain speed, then the next moment moment a different one in the exact same place. Imagine the reverse, which is the absurdity of me claiming that one moment light is slower than lightspeed, while the next moment the one Hulk released is at lightspeed exactly -- it would be the same thing you do, but just as an untenable position that I'd make up out of the blue, and if I did so I'd expect you to get "combative" with me on saying such stupid things, too.

Black Bolt's voice varies in its properties and has been depicted with both sonic and energy-blast [e.g. https://imgur.com/a/zR69p] components -- possibly as a by-product of his electron powers. Its sonic commponent [as depicted again here - https://imgur.com/a/KFuJd] was outraced by Quicksilver: https://ibb.co/Vx22sVc They're not crossing U-616 in moments.

Be that as it may, even if you want to interpret the sonic beams that destroyed the floating islands as hyper-sonic this, again, would be a far cry from the speed of sonic beams randomly now being argued to be octillion times the speed of light or other, again, untenable absurd positions.

The depiction of the composition within the cosmos in its most zoomed-out state is, again, consistent with the light and sonic elements that filled/destroyed it in moments:

The room of interpretation extends only as far as you think it took the (1) speed of light to fill it up [light-seconds/moments] and (2) the sonic waves to destroy the floating islands [sonic seconds/minutes?] to see how far the islands extend within the dimension - since it is based on evidence -- of which the parametrization is clear for this particular dimension. For other dimensions [such as Dormmamu, or the myriad other ones which come in all shapes and sizes] there would be a separate discussion regarding its size and physical properties, which would again have to be based on evidence for that particular dimension.

I'm not insisting, I'm going where the evidence takes me, and not making up evidence to take me somewhere else. I think Earth sized is quite generous, but a good point where we can both agree that it would seem a reasonable interpretation based on the parameters we have at hand -- light [size], sonic [size], floating islands [stated and shown]. Some might see it as continent sized -- or state sized, and that could probably be argued succesfully, too, but I don't care to get bogged down so much.

As I said, Earth size is fine by me, too.

Now..

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well I changed that one to resists/survives, because simply not being squashed and remaining conscious under that weight is a feat.
The sun-weight wasn't being placed on his back for him to get squashed [thus why he doesn't simply burrow through the ground], it went inside his body as the spear and was keeping him in place, helpless - think of it like Mjolnir, or an energy-field, rather than a backpack:

When removed he moved and turned back to Banner:

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I did read it, although it was a while ago. I know that the intention was likely due to the properties of the Crossroads linking to infinite dimensions, but it did technically cause damage in all of them, which adds up to infinite force. Still I call it an outlier and a nonsensical feat, but I'm including a lot of these here in this thread.
I have a few questions here, just for clarity, and then I can elaborate my position as I see yours.

1). "The concussive force of their coming together revertebrates along the pathways leading from the crossroads to an infinite number of dimensions causing cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction"

vs

"The concussive force of their coming together revertebrates along the pathways, leading from the crossroads to an infinite number of dimensions, causing cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction"

Do you think there's a difference between these two sentences?

2). Since you were insistent on the physical of dimensions beforehand -- given in the crossroads case we have actual evidence, what do you know of the dimensional properties there?

3). What do you know about Iron Clad? Do you think Iron Clad being at the top of the list [if all other questions are ignored for the sake of the argument] is a reasonable interpretation?

I'll leave the main argument for after you answer, but as I said -- I want some clarity.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Also, is there any particular reason you're only singling out the Hulk feats on the list? Even though many others are just as questionable?
I'm singling them out because Hulk has the most egregious examples, for which assumptions without evidence were made, so I started with him. The Hulk/Vector one, for example, I have no problem with [though I'd argue its placement perhaps]. There's plenty of Hulk feats to choose from, where there's clear feats, but these ain't it. After this, we can of course move on to the next characters, too.

1). "The concussive force of their coming together revertebrates along the pathways leading from the crossroads to an infinite number of dimensions causing cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction"

vs

"The concussive force of their coming together revertebrates along the pathways, leading from the crossroads to an infinite number of dimensions, causing cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction"

Do you think there's a difference between these two sentences?

Ok, I’ll start.

Both sentences think “revertebrates” is a word mmm

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