Thor [current] vs Thanos

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Darkseid gets outwitted by Batman, so he's pretty stupid.

Yes, yes, it's Batman, blah blah blah. Thanos doesn't get outwitted by Wolverine or Spider-Man or Captain America or Reed, however.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So yeah, a moment of stupidity was given to Thanos just so the Hulk could win.

In SB49, the Patriots didn't "win" the game. The Seahawks "lost". Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, as it were. The Seahawks graced the NFL with arguably the worst thrown game in NFL history.

Now, I'm not trying to analogize this Hulk vs Thanos fight to SB49. But you get what I mean. That was Thanos' fight to lose. And he turned his back in the middle of the fight and we saw what happened. Not even Thanos can no-sell a cheapshot in the back from an enraged Mindless Hulk.

Hulk holding his own against Thanos and beating him, no matter how you put it, speaks volumes. Especially considering what he has done to Surfer, Thor, Bill, etc... Thanos is comfortably high trans and Hulk being a peer speaks volumes. Not only that. Hulk resisted Thanos telepathy empowered by the mindstone and powered through Thanos blasts (same blast has sent Galactus flying, made Odin flinch, and had impacts towards Tyrant). Also, the mindstone actually thought Hulk was powerful enough to challenge Thanos...

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk holding his own against Thanos and beating not losing to him, no matter how you put it, speaks volumes.

So we're not as diametrically opposed in our opinions as you might think. But it was Thanos' fight to lose. Thanos should've did what Mindless Hulk did when Thanos was toppled by Collen Wing's Mindstone blade. Which was continue wrecking his opponent when he's down to make sure the job's finished rather than turn his back and be so humbled.

It just seems uncharacteristic of Thanos when he's thrown down with opponents. So much so, that few will consider this a clean Hulk "win". It's more of a Thanos "loss". And that position shouldn't offend you.

If you're upset about the seeming hypocrisy over the H/P Doomsday vs Darkseid fight, well... nobody really believes Darkseid isn't that stupid. It's arguably very in-character for him to be such such an arrogant schmuck and be so humbled humiliated.

Originally posted by ODG
I agree with this. 👆

So we're not as diametrically opposed in our opinions as you might think. But it was Thanos' fight to lose. Thanos should've did what Mindless Hulk did when Thanos was toppled by Collen Wing's Mindstone blade. Which was continue wrecking his opponent when he's down to make sure the job's finished rather than turn his back and be so humbled.

It just seems uncharacteristic of Thanos when he's thrown down with opponents. So much so, that few will consider this a clean Hulk "win". It's more of a Thanos "loss". And that position shouldn't offend you.

If you're upset about the seeming hypocrisy over the H/P Doomsday vs Darkseid fight, well... nobody really believes Darkseid isn't that stupid. It's arguably very in-character for him to be such such an arrogant schmuck and be so humbled humiliated.

Not upset. I just think we have different opinions. It was a drawn out fight. The end is what made the difference. We wouldn't know what the outcome would've been if Thanos kept punching. It seems like the writer wanted to find a way to end the fight which resulted in the back punch.

Originally posted by carver9
It seems like the writer wanted to find a way to end the fight which resulted in the back punch.

Originally posted by ODG
I consider Mindless Hulk to be pure Hulk and the lack of mind being Banner's mind. Not that Mindless Hulk is brainless (although he can be). If you read the episodes of extended separations from Banner after Onslaught or during Jason Aaron's run you'll see he isn't a brainless clod. Again, Mindless Hulk or just "Hulk" was at war with Banner during Donny Cates' run, it's why this current Hulk is so angry with Banner.

And I already explained that vague writer tweets are irrelevant to me when we have the comics themselves.

Oh, you meant that version. Bannerless Hulk is probably more accurate.

No offense, but your opinion isn't relevant. If the guy that's writing the comic says it's Green Scar, then it's Green Scar.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, you meant that version. Bannerless Hulk is probably more accurate.

No offense, but your opinion isn't relevant. If the guy that's writing the comic says it's Green Scar, then it's Green Scar.

Your opinion is both irrelevant and in contravention of the comics we're discussing. It's like arguing U.S. politics using tweets rather than events/actions/legislation.

The dumbification of people on full display. 👆

Originally posted by ODG
Exactly. 👆 👆 Instead of a Hulk "win", you know what I'd call it? A Thanos "loss". Seems like semantics, I know. But I think it's real.

In SB49, the Patriots didn't "win" the game. The Seahawks "lost". Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, as it were. The Seahawks graced the NFL with arguably the worst thrown game in NFL history.

Now, I'm not trying to analogize this Hulk vs Thanos fight to SB49. But you get what I mean. That was Thanos' fight to lose. And he turned his back in the middle of the fight and we saw what happened. Not even Thanos can no-sell a cheapshot in the back from an enraged Mindless Hulk.

Yeah...or like a marathon runner who starts celebrating their win early only to get overtaken in the last 100m or so. Maybe less 'stupidity' and more 'arrogance', which DOES chime more with Thanos ' nature. Still, having fought Hulk before one would think he'd be more wary.

Originally posted by carver9
Thought mindless Hulk always scream out Hulk smash?

Originally posted by ODG
You derive your opinion from a vague tweet without reference to any of the comics whatsoever. While I derive my opinion from the comics themselves.

Your opinion is both irrelevant and in contravention of the comics we're discussing. It's like arguing U.S. politics using tweets rather than events/actions/legislation.

The dumbification of people on full display. 👆

A tweet from the writer of the comics, saying he's writing the character as Green Scar. Like the WRITER said, this alter best matches the personality and voice of the current Hulk.

The only "dumbification" here is coming from the guy who thinks that's a real word.

Originally posted by Psychotron
A tweet from the writer of the comics, saying he's writing the character as Green Scar. Like the WRITER said, this alter best matches the personality and voice of the current Hulk.

The only "dumbification" here is coming from the guy who thinks that's a real word.

He didn't even say yes. He said "so far we haven't specified". He isn't even sure what Hulk it is which makes ODG post even more legit.

Originally posted by ODG
Isn't this kinda what everybody is saying though???

Carver, your thoughts? 😂

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't even say yes. He said "so far we haven't specified". He isn't even sure what Hulk it is which makes ODG post even more legit.

"Basically, yes" isn't a yes in carver9 world.

Originally posted by Psychotron
"Basically, yes" isn't a yes in carver9 world.

He's literally saying that it isn't specified yet, and basically he's isn't a YES.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, your thoughts? 😂

We haven't had a clear fight from any of these two besides this one and Hulk came out on top. You can call CIS to it if you want but as of now until a rematch, Hulk 1 - Thanos 0.

The Hulk never defeated Thanos Carver. The fight was interrupted.

That may not have been Thanos as well, because Thanos Imperative paints an entirely different picture as it shows that he rules the .multiverse. Anyway I'm betting that he's going to be kicking everyone's butt soon, if what the Thanos Imperative is alluding to.

Lmao imagine if it gets shown that it was yet another Thanosi (no, I am not asserting this, yes I understand nothing in the comic points towards this, I am merely saying it would be hilarious).

If it does, I think Carver may go full meltdown.

Originally posted by carver9
He's literally saying that it isn't specified yet, and basically he's isn't a YES.

Your command of the English language is... poor. Anyway, I listened to the interview referenced in those tweets. Johnson was asked if we would see Savage Hulk, Joe, Devil, or any of the other personalities in this run. He said that we might, but he liked the way Hulk spoke and acted in Planet Hulk, so he decided to write the Hulk that way in this run. That's the personality the story will focus on. This confirms two things: first, that he's writing this Hulk as the alter that was in charge during Planet Hulk, and second, that the current Hulk is not Savage, Devil, or Joe, though they may appear at some point in the story.

Carver is basically an idiot, though.

Note that I didn't actually say he was an idiot.