Originally posted by carver9
When did she use the mind stone? When she was walking up to Thanos to stab him?What would've happened that was different? Thanos punches, kicks and blasts did nothing to the Hulk. Even his telepathy was nothing. Hulk was still able to move comfortably with a broken neck.
It does represent how a fight would go. We literally saw it on panel. Thanos gets crushed.
That's dumb Hulk. I'm asking you if he won the fight when he was backstabbed. You mentioned the fight, so answer the question. Did Thing win?
When she stabbed him in the head with it and knocked him out, Carver, I know you want to keep ignoring that, but it was Colleen who knocked him out, not the Hulk.
What do you mean, "what would have happened?" Hulk has been knocked out by brute force more than once, and by lesser opponents than Thanos. Hulk wasn't "moving comfortably with a broken neck." He wasn't moving at all until Thanos turned his attention to the Mind Stone.
It represents how a fight between the Hulk and a disinterested Thanos would go. It doesn't represent how a forum battle would go, where they both fight at their best and Thanos isn't trying to get a MacGuffin.
I don't know who won, and I don't care because that's not the point. It never was. The point is that even the Hulk thinks attacking someone from behind is cheap. Like DS said, if Hulk was more powerful, he would have just beat Thanos down, he wouldn't need to wait until his back was turned.
Originally posted by Psychotron
When she stabbed him in the head with it and knocked him out, Carver, I know you want to keep ignoring that, but it was Colleen who knocked him out, not the Hulk.What do you mean, "what would have happened?" Hulk has been knocked out by brute force more than once, and by lesser opponents than Thanos. Hulk wasn't "moving comfortably with a broken neck." He wasn't moving at all until Thanos turned his attention to the Mind Stone.
It represents how a fight between the Hulk and a disinterested Thanos would go. It doesn't represent how a forum battle would go, where they both fight at their best and Thanos isn't trying to get a MacGuffin.
I don't know who won, and I don't care because that's not the point. It never was. The point is that even the Hulk thinks attacking someone from behind is cheap. Like DS said, if Hulk was more powerful, he would have just beat Thanos down, he wouldn't need to wait until his back was turned.
When she first met up with Thanos, he had enough strength to slap her across a forest. When she met up with Thanos again walking up to him with her blade out, he didn't have enough strength to do shit about it because of Hulk. Get it????
No it doesn't. This is still Immortal Hulk who has access to the green door. Blowing holes in him, breaking neck, chopping him up, ripping his arms off does nothing...
We saw a fight between Thanos and Hulk already. Hulk 1 - Thanos 0.
It's a point I'm trying to make. No, Thing didn't win the fight and Hulk was still too strong. If you're more powerful, you should be able to emdure an attack like that, kinda like Doomsday enduring Superman punching him in the back 9 times.
Originally posted by carver9This is a great feat for Hulk. No one is disagreeing with that. This feat can be used in future debates to reference the striking power of Hulk.
Only thing that needs to be said. Hulk beat him with a punch that no other character have done. There's obviously some low showings (Squirrel girl) but straight up fights, no one has dropped Thanos like that.I haven't seen a DC peer repeat anything like this, even with surprised attacks.
We're just hoping that you are not arguing that Hulk can now beat Thanos in a forum fight under full capacity. If not, then we can end this discussion.
Originally posted by carver9All this proves is that Thanos finally matched Darkseid's level of dumba$$ery during a fight that wasn't ended.
I just find it funny that people praised this fight for years and still do, but never once argued against Doomsday backstabbing Darkseid. You all are bias AF. A bunch of DC trolls of the highest order....
Originally posted by carver9
When she first met up with Thanos, he had enough strength to slap her across a forest. When she met up with Thanos again walking up to him with her blade out, he didn't have enough strength to do shit about it because of Hulk. Get it????No it doesn't. This is still Immortal Hulk who has access to the green door. Blowing holes in him, breaking neck, chopping him up, ripping his arms off does nothing...
We saw a fight between Thanos and Hulk already. Hulk 1 - Thanos 0.
It's a point I'm trying to make. No, Thing didn't win the fight and Hulk was still too strong. If you're more powerful, you should be able to emdure an attack like that, kinda like Doomsday enduring Superman punching him in the back 9 times.
I already said his cheap shot hurt Thanos. Get it? Everyone's been telling you that the sneak attack from behind is what turned the fight in Hulk's favor.
This is explicitly not the Immortal Hulk because the Green Door was closed at the end of that story. It’s pretty good, you should read it. Also, the author of the current Hulk comic said he was writing him as the Green Scar.
Correct, we saw a fight in which Hulk won by attacking Thanos from behind while he was searching for something. Then Hulk got an assist from Colleen with the Mind Stone. Context matters.
The power difference between the Thing and Savage Hulk is far greater than that between Green Scar and Thanos. Also, different kinds of attacks—Thing tackled him, while Hulk punched him. I know a nerd like you wouldn’t know this, but punches from behind are illegal in every combat sport. There’s a reason for that—they deal a lot more damage. Now answer my question: why didn't Hulk just beat Thanos down if he was more powerful? Why did he need a cheap shot to turn the tide of the battle?
Originally posted by ODG
All this proves is that Thanos finally matched Darkseid's level of dumba$$ery during a fight that wasn't ended.
Darkseid gets outwitted by Batman, so he's pretty stupid.
Yes, yes, it's Batman, blah blah blah. Thanos doesn't get outwitted by Wolverine or Spider-Man or Captain America or Reed, however.
So yeah, a moment of stupidity was given to Thanos just so the Hulk could win.
Originally posted by carver9
But no one and I mean no one used that as reference of Doomsday winning.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is a great feat for Hulk. No one is disagreeing with that. This feat can be used in future debates to reference the striking power of Hulk.We're just hoping that you are not arguing that Hulk can now beat Thanos in a forum fight under full capacity. If not, then we can end this discussion.
HP DD vs DS in a forum fight might yield a different result; DS would possibly win through Bfr. Their comic fight only provides evidence to DD's durability, power, viciousness, and speed.
Originally posted by carver9I get what you're saying but it's also possible people were perfectly ok with Darkseid being such a dumba$$ as opposed to Thanos.
But no one and I mean no one used that as reference of Doomsday winning.
Originally posted by PsychotronNothing in the comics suggests its Green Scar. No reference to Caiera or his Sakaar-related rage.
Someone asked him on X which of Bruce's alters was in control currently. He said he was writing this Hulk as Green Scar IIRC.
Originally posted by ODG
No reference to Caiera or his Sakaar-related rage.
That's what the author says. And it makes sense. This Hulk said Thanos had never beaten him before, even though Thanos had fought Savage and Professor multiple times. The only personalities left are Devil (can't be him because Devil protects Banner while this Hulk is actively trying to get rid of Banner), Joe (the speech doesn't match) and Green Scar, so the last one makes the most sense.
Originally posted by PsychotronI place little stock in random tweets. I care what's shown in the comics. This Hulk's statement about "Thanos never beating him" remains true regardless because all of Thanos' past "fights" with any incarnation of Hulk have always been short, interrupted or remained unfinished. It's why this fight was so exceptional given their history.
That's what the author says. And it makes sense. This Hulk said Thanos had never beaten him before, even though Thanos had fought Savage and Professor multiple times. The only personalities left are Devil (can't be him because Devil protects Banner while this Hulk is actively trying to get rid of Banner), Joe (the speech doesn't match) and Green Scar, so the last one makes the most sense.
Devil Hulk persona has been dead since TOBA-possessed Leader murdered him. He'll likely return but he isn't in the equation, so we agree it's not him. It's definitely not Joe Fixit either for obvious reasons, I agree on that too. But Green Scar is not the last/only persona left. And Green Scar possessed righteous fury that was focused because he was not at war with himself.
It's very much more Mindless Hulk. Banner and Mindless Hulk have been at each other's proverbial throats since Donny Cates' run where Banner imprisoned/tortured Mindless Hulk. And this Hulk seethes with resentment at Banner for that. Banner did not imprison/torture Green Scar. Green Scar has no reason to resent Banner.
Originally posted by ODG
I place little stock in random tweets. I care what's shown in the comics. This Hulk's statement about "Thanos never beating him" remains true regardless because all of Thanos' past "fights" with any incarnation of Hulk have always been short, interrupted or remained unfinished. It's why this fight was so exceptional given their history.Devil Hulk persona has been dead since TOBA-possessed Leader murdered him. He'll likely return but he isn't in the equation, so we agree it's not him. It's definitely not Joe Fixit either for obvious reasons, I agree on that too. But Green Scar is not the last/only persona left. And Green Scar possessed righteous fury that was focused because he was not at war with himself.
It's very much more Mindless Hulk. Banner and Mindless Hulk have been at each other's proverbial throats since Donny Cates' run where Banner imprisoned/tortured Mindless Hulk. And this Hulk seethes with resentment at Banner for that. Banner did not imprison/torture Green Scar. Green Scar has no reason to resent Banner.
Mindless? I think you mean Savage. This version of Hulk is articulate, which immediately rules out Mindless and Savage. It's either Joe, Professor, Devil or Green Scar, and if the writer says he's writing him as Green Scar, well that's that.
^ I said it's closer to Mindless than WWH???
Originally posted by PsychotronI consider Mindless Hulk to be pure Hulk and the lack of mind being Banner's mind. Not that Mindless Hulk is brainless (although he can be). If you read the episodes of extended separations from Banner after Onslaught or during Jason Aaron's run you'll see he isn't a brainless clod. Again, Mindless Hulk or just "Hulk" was at war with Banner during Donny Cates' run, it's why this current Hulk is so angry with Banner.
Mindless? I think you mean Savage. This version of Hulk is articulate, which immediately rules out Mindless and Savage. It's either Joe, Professor, Devil or Green Scar, and if the writer says he's writing him as Green Scar, well that's that.
And I already explained that vague writer tweets are irrelevant to me when we have the comics themselves.
^ A lot of Hulks have yelled out that catchphrase. Not exactly something that is unique to a single one of his alters. The way this Hulk is acting nearly mirrors that of Jason Aaron's Mindless Hulk. His long hair also mirrors how he was initially presented in that series too before it was burned off.
Mindless Hulk has never gone Worldbreaker. WWH has.