Why can't you just look at his statement, mine before it, and give your reply?
I agree with DarkCrawler. To answer YOUR question, although it wasn't to me:
I would show more concern if it was someone actively a part of my life, not some random yahoo on the street. Because they do not matter to me, why? Because I am not a Christian who happens to believe everyone and everyTHING is important.
However, would I force them to do things? Family member or not, no. I would not.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well if what someone wants is to destroy themselves (metaphorically), who are you to get in the way of that?(No one).
Whob, it's not a life.
Why are people not getting that it's not a life. Hence the term ABORTion.
ABORT:
To give birth prematurely or before term; miscarry.
To cease growth before full development or maturation.
To terminate an operation or procedure, as with a project, missile, airplane, or space vehicle, before completion.Let's put this to rest.
It's not a life.
-AC
And that's where the irony is..we live in a society that recognizes single celled organisms as life...yet we are unable to apply this same type of logic when applying the word "life" to human embroyos? I don't believe it's possible to completely outlaw abortion..but I do believe it makes sense to make it harder for people to get abortions..particularly for those who are just carelessly having sex...without thinking about the implications that come along with it...there are certain ethical questions that need be addressed regarding rape, incest, the mother's life...etc, etc...but again..this doesn't negate the fact that most unplanned pregnancy can be prevented through use of contraceptives...
I define life as what every human born has.
Not a bunch of cells.
I agree in the sense that, abortions will be abused. Which sucks. I agree there. There will be some people who will have stupid unprotected sex and use abortion as a way out.
That said, why punish those who innocently fall pregnant and WANT an abortion, on behalf of idiots? They want it, let them have it. There is no reason not to.
Would you ban cars as a result of a drunk driver?
-AC
Originally posted by whobdamandog
And that's where the irony is..we live in a society that recognizes single celled organisms as life...yet we are unable to apply this same type of logic when applying the word "life" to human embroyos? I don't believe it's possible to completely outlaw abortion..but I do believe it makes sense to make it harder for people to get abortions..particularly for those who are just carelessly having sex...without thinking about the implications that come along with it...there are certain ethical questions that need be addressed regarding rape, incest, the mother's life...etc, etc...but again..this doesn't negate the fact that most unplanned pregnancy can be prevented through use of contraceptives...
Single-celled organisms can survive on their own, hence why they are recognized as life. At the stage a fetus is at when abortions usually occur, it cannot survive on it's own. It is not viable. Therefore, it is not recognized as being alive.
Let me ask this. Some woman you've never seen or heard of before goes to get an abortion. How does this effect you?
Originally posted by Lana
Single-celled organisms can survive on their own, hence why they are recognized as life. At the stage a fetus is at when abortions usually occur, it cannot survive on it's own. It is not viable. Therefore, it is not recognized as being alive.Let me ask this. Some woman you've never seen or heard of before goes to get an abortion. How does this effect you?
The fact that human life can be rationalized to not being "viable" because it is not able to "survive on its own"...bothers me...
By that type of logic, we could take a patient off a respirator, because they are not able to breath "on their own"...or take an individual who has digestian problems of a feeding tube or intraveineous feeding because they are not able to digest "on their own"....or kill a wheelchair bound person because they are unable to walk "on their own"...or take a collastame bag off of a person who is unable to poop..because they are unable to crap.."on their own"...and..well..you get the point...problem as I see it is that "life" is being compromised as something that should only be sustained and allowed for those who are "strong" enough to live "on their own.." "Survival of the fittest" I believe is what they call that mentality....which as I've stated in anoter thread ...this type of mentality..brings about a very gloomy conclusion...
Fin.
That all doesn't change the fact of what this topic is about.
Abortion: Wrong or Right?
Some people think wrong, some think right.
The problem comes when those who think it's wrong feel they have the right and/or power to impose their beliefs and/or morals, willingly or not, upon people who don't share those same beliefs and/or morals.
People use the "Well I care" arguement. Which is faulty, because while you care, the person you care for, might not care about you nor want your advice. Infact, in that sort of situation, it's likely.
So while you're able to have your opinions, however flimsy, realise that this does not bestow upon you some deity given right to tell others that the procedure they are about to undertake, is murder and wrong.
Because for it to be called murder is heavily debatable, and for it to be wrong to you, does not mean you should be there telling the woman that.
Fin. As in, shark fin. As in, jaws. As in, a long chain of movies (in this case, posts) that came to a close with a conclusion we all either know or should have known.
-AC
I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life. So the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body; everyone would grant that. But surely a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed; an abortion may not be performed.
It sounds plausible. But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to youówe would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.
Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible-sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.
This is one of those real life questions that is not black and white. I said "No". However, I believe that the power behind laws belongs to the people and we entrust some of this power to the government. Abortion is one of those no win scenarios, and the government will not administer the power correctly. It should not be illegal.
Originally posted by liltiggasmootay
a blade of grass??? what the hell is wrong with u? its a dead baby that was murdered by some mother that didnt want it or love it because they werent responsible. how can u say that seeing a baby with limbs cut off is the same as shredding a blade of grass.....its a life! your going to hell for that one.
I'm going to hell... gee, I'm scared 🙄
Bottom line:
It's her choice. What she does is none of your business.
Originally posted by liltiggasmootay
its a growing human being....its alive so therefore its a life. thats like saying a plant isnt a life....its growing, it needs food and water to live.
You just contradicted yourself.
Originally posted by liltiggasmootay
its a growing human being....its alive so therefore its a life. thats like saying a plant isnt a life....its growing, it needs food and water to live.
Originally posted by Lana
Single-celled organisms can survive on their own, hence why they are recognized as life. At the stage a fetus is at when abortions usually occur, it cannot survive on it's own. It is not viable. Therefore, it is not recognized as being alive.Let me ask this. Some woman you've never seen or heard of before goes to get an abortion. How does this effect you?
To tell u the truth it does affect me. it doesnt matter if i know the woman or not. I seriously feel sick when i think about that innocent fetus that has done nothign wrong in this world. God is giving him a chance to live and human kind is deciding that he shouldnt live. Like i think that if u dont want a baby then fine give it up for adoption then instead.
Originally posted by liltiggasmootay
To tell u the truth it does affect me. it doesnt matter if i know the woman or not. I seriously feel sick when i think about that innocent fetus that has done nothign wrong in this world. God is giving him a chance to live and human kind is deciding that he shouldnt live. Like i think that if u dont want a baby then fine give it up for adoption then instead.
Don't get me wrong, I am against abortion if it's a "morning after"-thing: if you were too lazy to protect yourself but if it's the product of rape or under pressure,... it should be done. No one has the right to rule over the uterus of someone else.
But I take you rather want a woman to grow the seed of her rapist for 9 months and give birth to it...