Abortion

Originally posted by Clovie
for me it is a life.
it is my way of looking on it. and you won't convice me otherwise.

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But factually, you are wrong. So you must not care that you're wrong.

Originally posted by Clovie
i meant the situation when she wanted to keep the child and they've made her abort it.
she should be given support.

Support is being there for her no matter what she does and not questioning her or forcing her. THAT'S support. Not slyly weaving your morals and agenda in on a woman about to make a decision. THAT'S support. Your idea of support is not support.

Originally posted by Clovie
and you're repeating yourself

If common sense was actually common I wouldn't have to. You and others don't actually seem to be getting this though.

Originally posted by Clovie
and you do?

i thoguht the idea of this thread is to share opinion. i'm sorry i was so wrong

No I don't. Hence why I don't do it.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I could care less what you've done....It's only you're opinion....And I'ts only mine.......It's all subjective anyway......

Are you trying to scare me????

No not at all.

Secondly, no it's not all opinion and it's not all subjective. That's the tactic of the debate coward. You're wrong and you're flip flop theories have been battered more than the harem of Rick James.

Originally posted by Clovie
how does her unborn child affect you? (to all pro-abortion)

It doesn't. Hence why we're all saying she should be able to do whatever she wants with it.

Jesus. It's like teaching kids how to walk.

-AC

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
It doesn't, but it irks me when people are deprived of their freedom.

Originally posted by Lana
You said that birth is usually a great thing, I said that not everyone would agree, especially a woman who was going through an unwanted pregnancy.

It doesn't. Which is why I think it should be her decision and hers alone and no one has any right to tell her what she can or cannot do.

And it's pro-choice, not pro-abortion, btw.

it counds like pro abortion for me 😬
and if it is her decision why can't she know what is getting rid of?
i don't see it.

Originally posted by Lana
So, you just agreed that it's fact, not opinion....so then why do you care what anyone else does, and why do you keep claiming it to be opinion?

Because it will be forever remembered.....I'm not trying to take anyones choice away.....Just should be an informed very informed choice,.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Because it will be forever remembered.....I'm not trying to take anyones choice away.....Just should be an informed very informed choice,.

How do you know it'll forever be remembered?

You're making tons of assumptions about things you don't know about.

Originally posted by Lana
You said that birth is usually a great thing, I said that not everyone would agree, especially a woman who was going through an unwanted pregnancy.

It doesn't. Which is why I think it should be her decision and hers alone and no one has any right to tell her what she can or cannot do.

And it's pro-choice, not pro-abortion, btw.

funny thing...kid at my school...christian fundamentalist....called it pro-death...laughed...was funny

Originally posted by Lana
How do you know it'll forever be remembered?

You're making tons of assumptions about things you don't know about.

How would you know that?

Originally posted by Clovie
what about freedom? 😖

Freedom to abort without others imposing their beliefs upon you.

Originally posted by Clovie
and if it is her decision why can't she know what is getting rid of?
i don't see it.

FFS, She DOES know what she's getting rid off. THAT is why she doing it. Holy hell.

Don't be so goddamn ignorant and selfish as to assume she doesn't know what she's getting rid of, JUST so you can say "Well I can tell her".

Originally posted by debbiejo
Just should be an informed very informed choice,.

It usually is. But if it isn't, it still doesn't mean you - a random person - have the right to get involved.

You and your opinions aren't needed. Deal with this.

-AC

Seems like a lots been going on since I left.......

Originally posted by Clovie
what about freedom? 😖

The freedom to choose what to do with your life.

Originally posted by Clovie
unwanted pregnacy is not a pathology for you?

it counds like pro abortion for me 😬
and if it is her decision why can't she know what is getting rid of?
i don't see it.

Pro-choice means that the choice should be available. Pro-life means it should be banned. Pro-choicers do NOT necessarily have to like abortion or think it to be right (like Phoenix proved), they just think it should be available.

I think most women know what a baby is like....most have no idea how hard caring for a child is, if anything. Let them decide for themselves.

Originally posted by debbiejo
How would you know that?

I don't. But I'm not making all these assumptions that you are. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Maybe the woman would regret having an abortion. But she may also regret having the child. It goes either way and what it comes down to is that you need to let her decide on her own.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But factually, you are wrong. So you must not care that you're wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Support is being there for her no matter what she does and not questioning her or forcing her. THAT'S support. Not slyly weaving your morals and agenda in on a woman about to make a decision. THAT'S support. Your idea of support is not support.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If common sense was actually common I wouldn't have to. You and others don't actually seem to be getting this though.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No I don't. Hence why I don't do it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No not at all.

Secondly, no it's not all opinion and it's not all subjective. That's the tactic of the debate coward. You're wrong and you're flip flop theories have been battered more than the harem of Rick James.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't. Hence why we're all saying she should be able to do whatever she wants with it.

Jesus. It's like teaching kids how to walk.

-AC [/B]

and i know how to walk
*makes a catwalk* eyes see?

Originally posted by Lana
I don't. But I'm not making all these assumptions that you are. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Maybe the woman would regret having an abortion. But she may also regret having the child. It goes either way and what it comes down to is that you need to let her decide on her own.

I never said anything different....Only an informed choice.

End....I'm done.

Originally posted by Lana
The freedom to choose what to do with your life.

Pro-choice means that the choice should be available. Pro-life means it should be banned. Pro-choicers do NOT necessarily have to like abortion or think it to be right (like Phoenix proved), they just think it should be available.

I think most women know what a baby is like....most have no idea how hard caring for a child is, if anything. Let them decide for themselves.

You are correct, I think abortion is taking a human life, but I'm Pro-choice.

Originally posted by Lana
Pro-choice means that the choice should be available. Pro-life means it should be banned. Pro-choicers do NOT necessarily have to like abortion or think it to be right (like Phoenix proved), they just think it should be available.

I think most women know what a baby is like....most have no idea how hard caring for a child is, if anything. Let them decide for themselves.

what was all this about then? 😕

and why isn't it support. she is receiving help when she wants to keep it.

If she wants to keep it and is being forced to have an abortion, that's a completely different matter.....but has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about people trying to talk someone who has decided they want an abortion into not having one.

but why are you assuming that the right decission is killing the child?

Why are you assuming that the woman having the baby is the right decision?

Originally posted by Lana
If she wants to keep it and is being forced to have an abortion, that's a completely different matter.....but has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about people trying to talk someone who has decided they want an abortion into not having one.

Why are you assuming that the woman having the baby is the right decision?

coz it is natural

Originally posted by debbiejo
I never said anything different....Only an informed choice.

End....I'm done.

And most people who do it have made an informed choice.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are correct, I think abortion is taking a human life, but I'm Pro-choice.

Thank you for proving my point. You can be personally against the idea but still recognize that it is not your decision.

Originally posted by Clovie
😑 i have never said that they should not be given a choice.
i just said that they should make themselves perfectly sure that they really want to do this.

what was all this about then? 😕

And like I said, most women who do it have made an informed decision.

And you said that they should get a chance to see what they could be losing.....and like I said before, it could make them not want a child even more. But it comes down to is that it's no one's right to try and change their mind once the woman has decided.

Originally posted by Clovie
you can always try 😬

coz it is natural

But I wouldn't try, as it is not my place to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

And just because it's 'natural' doesn't mean it's the right decision for everyone.

Originally posted by Clovie
No. it is a human from the moment two cells are getting together.

No, it's not. It's actually not. That's what you choose to believe. It's not though. Factually. Scientifically. Sensibly.

Originally posted by Clovie
truth.
and why isn't it support. she is receiving help when she wants to keep it.

If she wants support, let her choose to go and find support. That's the role of support lines and centres. IF the female wants the advice and support, SHE can go to THEM. Not the other way around, as you seem to believe.

Originally posted by Clovie
and you don't seem to even consider my points.

Coz they're shit, irrational, unrealistic and wrong.

Originally posted by Clovie
but you seem that you do.

You make zero sense. Seriously.

Originally posted by Clovie
WHAT? 😑

Wasn't to you.

Originally posted by Clovie
but why are you assuming that the right decission is killing the child?

I'm NOT. I'm saying, the right decision for us AKA the ones not involved, is to let her choose what HER right decision is.

Why are you not getting these? You can't be this dense.

Originally posted by Clovie
i just said that they should make themselves perfectly sure that they really want to do this.

You seem to think this requires anyone other than the woman involved though.

-AC