Abortion

Originally posted by Clovie
theoretical situation

girl is an orphan
she has no family, no money no anything
she has some bf
she gets pregnant
he tells her to get rid of the child
she doesn't want to
he tells her to move out (and she has no place to go)
she does what he wants.

Originally posted by Clovie
erm..yeah..to live semi-normal life without a child

or becoming homeless while being pregnant...so she won't be able to take care of her and later the child 🙁

great choice.

oh..and the different thing is that she may love the bastard

Yeah, but Clovie, the thing is, even if abortions were illegal she'd probably be forced to have one anyway. Meaning that she'd have to go through that process with second-rate instruments, care etc.

Originally posted by Clovie
theoretical situation

girl is an orphan
she has no family, no money no anything
she has some bf
she gets pregnant
he tells her to get rid of the child
she doesn't want to
he tells her to move out (and she has no place to go)
she does what he wants.

theoretical situation:

girl is raised very catholic
has a big catholic family
has a boyfriend
she gets pregnant
the family tells her to keep it (or she has to because abortion is illegal which would suck even more)
she doesn't want to
they tell her to move out (and she has no place to go)
she does what they want

....it goes both ways, but at least people should be able to have a choice, if they have to keep it its just uneccesarily unfair towards them....its the girls and only the girls choice...that stubborn people will try to change her mind or even force her doesn't mean that the State has to force them......

Originally posted by Clovie
erm..yeah..to live semi-normal life without a child

or becoming homeless while being pregnant...so she won't be able to take care of her and later the child 🙁

great choice.

oh..and the different thing is that she may love the bastard

Oh and in civilized countries there are ways to live without being dependant from some boyfriend......

And maybe she loves the kid....but maybe she doesn't..either way its up to her.....

Originally posted by Scoobless
get back in your box .... "evil".... *sigh*... are you trying to sound like an idiot? or does it just come naturally?

Originally posted by BackFire
Her fault for getting into that position in the first place, besides, seeing as this is hugely theoretical and a major "worst case scenario" type argument, it isn't really valid.

Originally posted by Scoobless
get back in your box .... "evil".... *sigh*... are you trying to sound like an idiot? or does it just come naturally?

Originally posted by Imaginary
Yeah, but Clovie, the thing is, even if abortions were illegal she'd probably be forced to have one anyway. Meaning that she'd have to go through that process with second-rate instruments, care etc.

Originally posted by Bardock42
theoretical situation:

girl is raised very catholic
has a big catholic family
has a boyfriend
she gets pregnant
the family tells her to keep it (or she has to because abortion is illegal which would suck even more)
she doesn't want to
they tell her to move out (and she has no place to go)
she does what they want

....it goes both ways, but at least people should be able to have a choice, if they have to keep it its just uneccesarily unfair towards them....its the girls and only the girls choice...that stubborn people will try to change her mind or even force her doesn't mean that the State has to force them......

you're theory makes no sense
if she was raised VERY catholic the situation wouldn't have happeend at all. 😑

and of course no one should force her do anything.
just the situation had happened for real.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh and in civilized countries there are ways to live without being dependant from some boyfriend......

And maybe she loves the kid....but maybe she doesn't..either way its up to her.....

by bastard i meant boyfriend 😖

It does...you are saying people that life in a very catholic environment and get raised that way can't get pregnant...well it does happen..and just because you are raised catholic doesn't mean you agree with everything and you can't have sex.

And yes..ni one should force her to do anything...so basically you say it should be her choice..I mean if it is illega,l she is forced, is she not?

Well but lots of people her do and your little theory doesn't work there cause she could get help elsewhere...and if she loves him it is basically her choice because she values him moore than the unborn baby....what would it help if it were illegal in that case?

SOrry I thought you meant the baby which would pretty much be the correct term for it in the case you stated....

she wouldn't want to get rid of it 🤨

that statement is logically correct

i'm not lots of ppl 😐 and it is illegal now and it does not solve the problem, that why i said about it. 😖

i don't agree.

Maybe she does...just because her environment is Catholic doesn't mean she wants to keep a baby....

But what are you argueing then...I don't understand

Exactly it makes it worse....it has to be Legal to at least make sure that the Abortions are carried through for the best of the Patient

Well there'S nothing to agree a baby born to parent that are not married is a Bastard....that's what the term means....

you implied she IS very catholic not her evoiremnt

coz it is not in line with what i feel

it should be legal, but not happening

i didn't know 😕

No i implied she was raised Catholic which doesn''t mean you are....but that you get talked into going to hell when you sleep with someone, just because your parents raise you catholic doesn't mean you won't have sex....and even if I inplied I take iot back with this post....

But its your arguement...so what you are saying i
s it should be legal but I son't like it and would never have it?....so you are pro choice.....or do you want to talk into the decision of the girls?

Interesting point of view.......well this of course won't happen but very idealistic...like saying make Murder Legal but it shouldn't happen....

Well now you do....

cry you just said that i'll never have sex crytissue

uh huh. plus i think that girls who doesn't want to have it shouldn't be made to have it. as for rest it's their lost 😐

no. murder is clearly wrong. but it fits to the death penalty ✅

i'm made an idiot of me 🙁

What the?.........I did not....

Or their win...I think that girls that don't want to have it shouldn't be made to have it....

Ok......interesting but strange at the same time....so you want to educate people morally to not want abortions but they should havbe the choice?

A fool....that is the right word.....

yes you did 🙁

lost. no one will make them but later they'll understand. and then it will be too late.

yes. because making stuff illegal doesn't make it's not happening it's just making it more expensive and less safe

crytissue sure...

say that it doesn't mean people won't have sex......

Either way. But there are cases (just as there are cases as you argue) where they will be...and if they keep it it will be too late too....

But you know that screwing with peoples mind is even worse than just abolishing something

Yes....

you say so now cry

they can give it to adoption 😬
and erm...how would you explain the situation that pregnant girl decides to give the child to adoption, but after it is born she doesn't want to be separated? what if it is the same with abortion?

no one will scer with their mind. i'm talking about utopia 😬

🙁

...Whatever

Well then it is still their decision.......

Ok ok ok....Interesting......

🙁

i've never said it's not 😬

🤨

Originally posted by Clovie
you say so now cry

they can give it to adoption 😬
and erm...how would you explain the situation that pregnant girl decides to give the child to adoption, but after it is born she doesn't want to be separated? what if it is the same with abortion?

no one will scer with their mind. i'm talking about utopia 😬

🙁

Utopia is another word for oasis more or less, you're saying that having to drop out of High School and work two minumum wage jobs to support a child you didn't abort or give up to adopt is a utopia? Am I wrong?

No Utopia is not like Oasis.......

Utopia is an ideal world or place

Originally posted by Bardock42
No Utopia is not like Oasis.......

Utopia is an ideal world or place

Whatever, my statement has the same meaning.