Abortion

Originally posted by FeceMan
Since when do all organisms have a right to life? Also, the symptoms described--if one were to consider this as a pregnancy--would not be nearly so severe until the later stages. A roundworm can never become as advanced as a human being; it will never be self-aware.

Same deal with the violinist argument.

Essentially, the pro-life argument is "a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it."

The argument in which one is plugged into the unconcious violinist illustrates the opposite; that one's right to decide what happens in and to her body is stronger and more stringent than another's right to life.

The argument in which one is infected with a round worm further illustrates that it is not morally incumbent of one to accede to a parasitic relationship against her will, regardless of the type of parasite and its relationship to the host organism.

Glad my mom didn't think I was a parasite... 🤨

Yeah, but you wouldn't be around to be upset about it now, would you? 🙄

Originally posted by FeceMan
I cannot tell if this post is as coated with as much sarcasm as the fingers of whoever last used my damn keyboard were with syrup.

Aw, shucks, I just realized something:

Bill O'Reilly's "You just lost the argument!" and AC's "Your argument was just vaporized!" are surprisingly similar.

The thing separating us is that debbiejo's actually was bs and the fact that she's be talking utter crap and resorting to popping at me when she has zero to say is reinforcing things a bit.

Never mind 🙂.

-AC

Originally posted by Julie
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.

Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?

Originally posted by queeq
So that's why you think a death penalty is never right?

In the UK you can only be killed for High Treason!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The thing separating us is that debbiejo's actually was bs and the fact that she's be talking utter crap and resorting to popping at me when she has zero to say is reinforcing things a bit.

Never mind 🙂.

-AC

Don't be so insecure....I thought tough guys could take a joke or two with pictures....and what not.

I'll SAY IT ONE MORE TIME....IT'S A CHOICE.....but it infringes on someone else...and for those who haven't read that I've said IT IS A CHOICE, just imagine...me saying blah blah blah blah,.....OH, that's right you have...... 🙄

And If I'm a parasite, then the rest of the world is too.....the way its running now.....it must be true. 😄 🙄

And like I've said before.....I've done volunteer work at a counseling clinic......and guess how many girls/woman come in....and said I was so misinformed on what I was really doing........These girls were as young as 13....and can't get over it.

All I've ever said is that it should be a well informed decision....

Only ignorant people make decisions without be well informed.....

enough said.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
just imagine...me saying blah blah blah blah,.....OH, that's right you have...... 🙄

LOL! 😂 Know where you're coming from on that one. On a side note, a while back there was some member (banned now) who kept changing my quotes to something false, and practically made it sound like I was the spawn of Satan or something.

Originally posted by debbiejo
and said I was so misinformed on what I was really doing........These girls were as young as 13....and can't get over it.

Unless it was rape I do not feel sorry for 13 year olds who get into trouble like that.

Originally posted by botankus
LOL! 😂 Know where you're coming from on that one. On a side note, a while back there was some member (banned now) who kept changing my quotes to something false, and practically made it sound like I was the spawn of Satan or something.

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😂 .....Satan???....well he's not real........AND...I hope I'm not gettin anyone panties in a twist....cause I'm certainly not!.....I just tell it like I have seen it........no malice here.

The series of posts have been edited for vulgarity, I believe, but I remember it was a while back in the Passion of the Christ thread where I made a comment about Muslims and how I didn't fully understand them in regards to the film.

And then this jerk quotes me and alters my post, saying that I was predicting a suicide bomber to hit all of the theaters showing the film!

Originally posted by botankus
Unless it was rape I do not feel sorry for 13 year olds who get into trouble like that.

Unless it was rape, I do not feel sorry for anyone who gets into trouble like that.

Look, the basic point of the argument isn't is it alive or not...is it a human or not. The basic argument is "do 'I' have the right to make a descision for someone else?"

As long as there are people out there who feel they should be making descisions for another human being, then there will always be these same tired arguments. That's something that has always confused me. Liberals will fight and argue until they're blue in the face over animal rights, but get all white lipped over abortion.

My personal opinion is that there are several points of view that go into peoples arguments on either side of the divide. 1) GOD 2) The absence of a god 3)Apathy towards god. In any case, god is always a "make or break" factor in peoples opinion.

Bottom line, is that it isn't your body, it isn't your descision and (depending on the validity of god) it isn't a consequence with which you'll have to deal.

My God is teh über valid!

Originally posted by FeceMan
My God is teh über valid!

Yes. To you he is.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Yes. To you he is.

[Roll vs. urge, DC 15. Save succesful.]

Urge suppressed.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Suppressing urge to turn thread into religion forum...

[Roll vs. urge, DC 15. Save succesful.]

Urge suppressed.

Congrats. Urge supression has never been my strongest suit.

However, bottom line is that when you remove god from the equation, then there is only one option.

Originally posted by botankus
The series of posts have been edited for vulgarity, I believe, but I remember it was a while back in the Passion of the Christ thread where I made a comment about Muslims and how I didn't fully understand them in regards to the film.

And then this jerk quotes me and alters my post, saying that I was predicting a suicide bomber to hit all of the theaters showing the film!

Sorry that happened....He was a jerk.....and for the 13 year old, no it wasn't rape.....and really my point was it should be an informed decision.......Do you wear a condom when having sex?....Well that decision was made from being informed......

Informed decision....

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Congrats. Urge supression has never been my strongest suit.

However, bottom line is that when you remove god from the equation, then there is only one option.

Originally posted by debbiejo
And like I've said before.....I've done volunteer work at a counseling clinic......and guess how many girls/woman come in....and said I was so misinformed on what I was really doing........These girls were as young as 13....and can't get over it.

All I've ever said is that it should be a well informed decision....

Only ignorant people make decisions without be well informed.....

enough said.....

Yes but just because you've seen alot of girls who can't get over it, doesn't mean that it always happens that way.

More often than not, it IS a well informed decision and even if it isn't, you don't have the right to be the one to inflict that information upon the female. I don't believe you would even present an unbiased case. Infact I'm sure that you would tell the woman all the bad things that might happen in YOUR opinion (which would be irrelevant here) and none of the good that WILL.

But as long as you respect that it's your role to stay out of it, then we pretty much agree.

-AC

Originally posted by FeceMan
Of course, when one removes God from the 'equation' that is society, one gets Brave New World.

How do you justify that opinion?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I cannot tell if this post is as coated with as much sarcasm as the fingers of whoever last used my damn keyboard were with syrup.

Aw, shucks, I just realized something:

Bill O'Reilly's "You just lost the argument!" and AC's "Your argument was just vaporized!" are surprisingly similar.

Nope i wasn't being sarcastic....I agree with what you said!