Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So you were comparing a foetus to a blueprint as we thought. 😂A foetus is not a blueprint, it is a semi built has and you disregard most of Gavs statement.
The point is, Whirly, that it's not killing a baby is it? If a foetus is not a baby (as CN stated), just what will BECOME a baby if left undealt with, then it's not yet a baby and therefore a baby cannot have been killed.
So it's not killing a baby.
-AC
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So you were comparing a foetus to a blueprint as we thought. 😂A foetus is not a blueprint, it is a semi built has and you disregard most of Gavs statement. DNA is a blue print.
I said destroying building blocks would constitute as a crime. Bricks would be used to make the house. They represent the parent.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point is, Whirly, that it's not killing a baby is it? If a foetus is not a baby (as CN stated), just what will BECOME a baby if left undealt with, then it's not yet a baby and therefore a baby cannot have been killed.So it's not killing a baby.
-AC
Actually this is subjective as a foetus may be able to survive outside the mother long before it is born.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point is, Whirly, that it's not killing a baby is it? If a foetus is not a baby (as CN stated), just what will BECOME a baby if left undealt with, then it's not yet a baby and therefore a baby cannot have been killed.So it's not killing a baby.
-AC
Debate settled.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Question to ACA) What does premature birth by C section mean?
B) Do you know the youngest "foetus" to survive this?
A) Cutting open the mother and taking it out.
B) You now put "foetus" in quotation marks. You are talking about OUTSIDE of it's mother when you discuss survival aren't you? Irrelevant since I'm talking about being in utero.
Therefore, abortion is not killing a baby. It's killing a foetus. As long as it is done in utero, it's not murder. Nor is it killing a baby, as I've just proven.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Cutting open the mother and taking it out.B) You now put "foetus" in quotation marks. You are talking about OUTSIDE of it's mother when you discuss survival aren't you? Irrelavant since I'm talking about being in utero.
Therefore, abortion is not killing a baby. It's killing a foetus. As long as it is done in utero, it's not murder. Nor is it killing a baby, as I've just proven.
-AC
Question to AC The building blocks must be fully in place for it to survive outside the womb musn't they? I know Biology is not your strong point but humour me.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Question to AC The building blocks must be fully in place for it to survive outside the wonb musn't they? I know Biology is not your strong point but humour me.
Yes, but that is OUTSIDE of the womb isn't it? Yes. My whole debate is centred around it being in utero. You are the only person talking about outside of the womb. Inside, it's not murder, which is a fact.
To add to your misfortunes: To call them building BLOCKS is to admit it's not yet a building, you've put your own cart before your own horse.
If it's a foetus in womb and a foetus in womb has the POTENTIAL to become a baby, that would mean it isn't one, wouldn't it? So therefore, it's death, killing or termination is both not applicable to labelling it a baby and/or murder.
Case closed.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Truth is legally your argument is correct, scientifically their is a bit more to it as USh said.
Ush also said many times that there was no point me claiming it wasn't murder because the law agrees with him.
Scientfically? Murder is a legal term, nothing to do with science. It's not murder and that's how it will stay. If it's a foetus and a foetus will become a baby if left unchecked, it's not yet a baby, so it can't be killing one.
You are interested in post-utero dwelling, I'm not. I'm discussing what happens in the womb.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You dislike the comparison, tough. Answer it:"Blueprints will turn into a house, does burning them constitute arson?
Yes or no?"
I'm being civil, answer. Does the burning of house blueprints equal arson or not?
-AC
The answer is no, but a fetus is not blue prints, sperm and egg are blue prints. A fetus is a house under construction, and if you burn one of those it is considered arson.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To add to your misfortunes: To call them building BLOCKS is to admit it's not yet a building, you've put your own cart before your own horse.Case closed.
-AC
Not at all your cells are renewing even as we speak in seven years they will all be new, the fact they are renovating doesn't stop them being building blocks, poor analogy but still a fact.
Biology isn't your strong point is it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Your arguement isn't really scientifically but morally...well the only one you have.
Care to explain how a baby can survive weeks out through C section without Science 🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The answer is no, but a fetus is not blue prints, sperm and egg are blue prints. A fetus is a house under construction, and if you burn one of those it is considered arson.
Read the posts, you've got my analogy twisted.
A foetus isn't a baby, it becomes one. So it can't be killing a baby.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Not at all your cells are renewing even as we speak in seven years they will all be new, the fact they are renovating doesn't stop them being building blocks, poor analogy but still a fact.Biology isn't your strong point is it.
Debating isn't yours.
Fact here: A foetus if unchecked, will become a baby. We both know that. If it will BECOME one, that means it can't be one as it is, so killing it is not killing a baby. Deny that if you want to look stupid.
Is there anything else you would like to try?
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Care to explain how a baby can survive weeks out through C section without Science 🙂
Stop talking about outside of the womb, nobody is discussing that. You're resorting to straying off topic and away from the point to gain a point. Nobody is discussing post-utero, just in utero.
-AC