Originally posted by Makedde
You know what I mean. I have my opinion, you need to respect that, even if you don't agree with it.
Oh my, it's actually astounding, the idiocy.
It's NOT about opinion, it's not. It's a fact that abortion is murder and by holding the belief it's not, you're trying to deny the undeniable.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Dammit, are you doing that on purpose? The war in Iraq is a moral matter, there is no right and wrong, but saying there is no war in Iraw is factually wrong since there is.
Some people believe the war is wrong, whether factually or not, yet we allow people to have their own views.
Who cares if abortion isn't 'factually' murder? It doesn't mean that everyone MUST think that it isn't murder.
Originally posted by Makedde
Some people believe the war is wrong, whether factually or not, yet we allow people to have their own views.Who cares if abortion isn't 'factually' murder? It doesn't mean that everyone MUST think that it isn't murder.
That's a ****ing different thing, why can't you understand it.
We are not saying that everyone has to think it's not murder, just that those who do think it is are wrong.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh my, it's actually astounding, the idiocy.It's NOT about opinion, it's not. It's a fact that abortion is murder and by holding the belief it's not, you're trying to deny the undeniable.
-AC
You think I can't believe that abortion is murder because you say it is not? No. I am entitled to believe it is wrong if that is what I believe, and I believe that abortion is murder. I don't give a flying **** what the law saws, if there is proof that abortion isn't murder. I don't care about that, because I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that abortion is murder. I can think that if I want, whether you believe I am wrong.
Originally posted by Makedde
Who cares if abortion isn't 'factually' murder? It doesn't mean that everyone MUST think that it isn't murder.
Listen, or read, VERY carefully.
Abortion...is not murder. If you think it is, then you are wrong, ok? Ok good. It's not about opinion. If your opinion is that it's murder, then you are as factually incorrect as you would be upon saying "Water isn't wet."
Originally posted by Makedde
You think I can't believe that abortion is murder because you say it is not? No. I am entitled to believe it is wrong if that is what I believe, and I believe that abortion is murder. I don't give a flying **** what the law saws, if there is proof that abortion isn't murder. I don't care about that, because I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that abortion is murder. I can think that if I want, whether you believe I am wrong.
It's not about what I believe, it's what's factual, and murder is factually not applicable to abortion.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Listen, or read, VERY carefully.Abortion...is not murder. If you think it is, then you are wrong, ok? Ok good. It's not about opinion. If your opinion is that it's murder, then you are as factually incorrect as you would be upon saying "Water isn't wet."
-AC
Everything goes in one ear and out the other... 🙄
Originally posted by Makedde
Everything goes in one ear and out the other... 🙄
Why do you continue? You're wrong. You keep saying "My opinion is my opinion" and if it was a subjective issue, you would be right, but it's not.
There's no immoral murder, murder is a legal term only, so therefore it's not applicable to abortion and you are wrong.
Originally posted by Backspace
I believe abortion is wrong. It is murder.Giving the women the choice to have an abortion is like giving a murderer the choice to kill someone.
You're wrong, it's not. Not too sure why you people are not grasping this.
Secondly, your last part was ridiculous mentality.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well considering the only murder that exists is the legal term, it can't mean nothing.Because the legal term says it's not murder. You're wrong, get over it.
-AC
What about all those pregnant women, just days from giving birth, and someone comes and kills their unborn baby. All they get charged with is assult, which buys them no jail time. That woman has to suffer with the knowledge that the law didn't see her child as a human.
If this was murder, it would prevent women from having late term abortions, and obviously the law regards a womans right to abort far more important the right of a womans much wanted, unborn child.
Originally posted by Makedde
What about all those pregnant women, just days from giving birth, and someone comes and kills their unborn baby. All they get charged with is assult, which buys them no jail time. That woman has to suffer with the knowledge that the law didn't see her child as a human.
So? It's still not murder, what's your problem with this? Like it or not, that's the way it is.
Originally posted by Makedde
If this was murder, it would prevent women from having late term abortions, and obviously the law regards a womans right to abort far more important the right of a womans much wanted, unborn child.
This doesn't change the fact (note that) that it's not murder.
Whine and moan all you like. Would you argue that water isn't wet, that the sun isn't hot or that you don't feel pain? No, because they are facts. Undeniable facts, as it is an undeniable fact that this is not murder.
-AC
Originally posted by Makedde
No it wasn't. The woman has power and control over that baby. She decides whether he or she lives or dies. I wouldn't want anyone holding that much power over me.
Exactly, such a hypocrite.
"I wouldn't want anyone holding that much power over me." Yet you believe you have some kind of right to involve yourself in the decision of how a woman deals with what's growing in her womb?
Get out of here with that shit.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're not making any sense at all, Shaky. You're stating the obvious.I'm sure we're all aware that our governments set forth rules and regulations for society, what's your point? It seems to be that your point is this: Regardless of what we think of those rules, right or wrong, we have to abide? What does that have to do with anything at all? You said society gets a say in what the woman does, yes, but should they? No.
You've descended into hyperbole.
-AC
In reading your post I came to the conclusion that you did not know any of this and was only coming from the theoretical and not the practical. I'm for keeping the law in the US, the same as it is now. It is irrelevant rather it is right or wrong if it is illegal.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In reading your post I came to the conclusion that you did not know any of this and was only coming from the theoretical and not the practical. I'm for keeping the law in the US, the same as it is now. It is irrelevant rather it is right or wrong if it is illegal.
You came to the wrong conclusion, first off.
Second, you go off on tangents and textual walkabouts with your posts, there's a lot of nice scenery on the way but they always arrive back at the same place. It's pointless. I'm sure we all know how it works, but the fact that it happens doesn't make it right.
-AC
Originally posted by Makedde
What about all those pregnant women, just days from giving birth, and someone comes and kills their unborn baby. All they get charged with is assult, which buys them no jail time. That woman has to suffer with the knowledge that the law didn't see her child as a human.
That's not what would happen. That would be GBH; not murder, because it's not murder.
GBH carries a maximum sentence of life.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So? It's still not murder, what's your problem with this? Like it or not, that's the way it is.This doesn't change the fact (note that) that it's not murder.
Whine and moan all you like. Would you argue that water isn't wet, that the sun isn't hot or that you don't feel pain? No, because they are facts. Undeniable facts, as it is an undeniable fact that this is not murder.
-AC
Would you argue that a baby is not human?
Would you argue that a fetus is not a baby?
Would you argue that aborting it kills it? (let's forget "murder" for a sec, as you are infantile, and get so hung up on the word)
So baby's are human, fetuses are babies, aborting a fetus kills it.....
Abortion kills babies.
(and a baby is still a "baby" in the womb,.... just with tissue around it....just in a different environment....)
This will be proven, the laws will be changed, and stupid, ignorant young males with no interest in a woman's right to choose other than to argue and stir up crap with people who are older and wiser than them can find some other cause to champion that will make them feel important.
(while they sit at home on the computer that mommy and daddy bought for them, secretly thanking their lucky stars that they have mothers who cared enough to not be selfish and think about only her own life. As it is, I wouldn't be surprised if she regrets it sometimes,.. seeing as how you're such a pain.)
It's high time you "got out of here with that shit".
getout1