Abortion

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
i really must say something on this however little.

At which point did this person being plugged up to this violinist become responsible for the state that this violinist is in?

Exactly.

People bring people into the world and are responsible for it.

People don't cause violinist to become infected with poison therefore causing them to have to plug into another human being to survive.

is it comprehensible.....

Nor is every woman who is pregnant responsible for being pregnant.

How a woman becomes pregnant is just as irrelevant to whether or not she should be permitted to have an abortion as how you became plugged into the famous unconcious violinist is irrelevant to whether or not you should be permitted to be unplugged from him. Because remember this, all persons have a right to decide what happens in and to his or her body, but a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than his or her right to decide what happens in and to his or her body, and so outweighs it. An abortion cannot be performed, and you cannot be unplugged from the famous unconcious violinist.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
it's too early in the morning to be getting that deep. And you my friend will be doing it alone, b/c I'm not even touching that right now.

Put words in my mouth all you want. Just make sure you put words back in your own mouth to respond or it will be a quick and painless conversation my friend....the best kind.

oh yeah, and learn what a personal insult is please.

is it comprehensible.....

I'm putting words in your mouth? I apologize if I was wrong and you didn't say a law should be created to stop people from having abortions. Are you jeering my use of "my friend" in an earlier post?

Hypocrite. It's something derogatory and is something of which I have given no evidence of being here. Sounds like an insult to me. Maybe you should try learning what one is?

Originally posted by StyleTime
There's nothing to get deep about. It's not our business what someone does with their own body. We have no right to make them act in a certain way when it doesn't affect us.

I'm putting words in your mouth? I apologize if I was wrong and you didn't say a law should be created to stop people from having abortions. Are you jeering my use of "my friend" in an earlier post?

Hypocrite. It's something derogatory and is something of which I have given no evidence of being here. Sounds like an insult to me. Maybe you should try learning what one is?

yawn

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by StyleTime
Noone is saying you can't believe it's wrong. You, however, don't have the right to make someone else abide by your beliefs. It's their choice and not yours.

I know that no one is saying that I can't believe it is wrong, what I don't like are people saying that my opinion on abortion is wrong, when I believe that my opinion is the right opinion.

Originally posted by Makedde
I know that no one is saying that I can't believe it is wrong, what I don't like are people saying that my opinion on abortion is wrong, when I believe that my opinion is the right opinion.

What was it again? I forgot.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nor is every woman who is pregnant responsible for being pregnant.

True, but most women who have abortions would have had unprotected sex, meaning they are responsible for being pregnant. Their unborn baby didn't ask to be there, it didn't ask to exist. It would never have had to exist if the woman had just taken the proper precautions to prevent that fetus from ever existing in the first place.

Saying that abortion doesn't affect anyone who hasn't had one is wrong. Abortion affects me. Why? Because I, and others like me, have to live with the knowledge that our hard earned taxes go toward helping someone rid the result of their irresponsiblity. The taxpayer pays for abortion, the taxpayer takes care of the problem. Most people who are against abortion would be offended by the fact that their money goes toward an abortion that they find morally wrong. So abortion does affect us. It affects us all, whether we are for it or against it, whether we have had one or not.

It affects the women, who has the abortion, and it affects the taxpayers, who must pay for it.

So abortion does affect me, and everyone else.

Do you think I could jump in here without AC getting on my case. 😱 😆

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You misinterpreted my reply to your comment that everyone is allowed their two cents. I agreed, but then I said you don't have the right to force that, which you again misinterpreted.

I suspect you didn't mean to do so maliciously, so I'm not bothered.

-AC

No it's just you keep saying "you" in your posts and I think you are talking about me and my personal opinions. It seems there IS a lot of misinterpretation goin on.

Originally posted by Makedde
I know that no one is saying that I can't believe it is wrong, what I don't like are people saying that my opinion on abortion is wrong, when I believe that my opinion is the right opinion.

Originally posted by Makedde
Saying that abortion doesn't affect anyone who hasn't had one is wrong. Abortion affects me. Why? Because I, and others like me, have to live with the knowledge that our hard earned taxes go toward helping someone rid the result of their irresponsiblity. The taxpayer pays for abortion, the taxpayer takes care of the problem. Most people who are against abortion would be offended by the fact that their money goes toward an abortion that they find morally wrong. So abortion does affect us. It affects us all, whether we are for it or against it, whether we have had one or not.

It affects the women, who has the abortion, and it affects the taxpayers, who must pay for it.

So abortion does affect me, and everyone else.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
1.) Murder is wrong

2.) Children are precious

There's a lot of doubt about that though....just so you know.

Originally posted by Makedde
Murder is a legal term, yes, but it doesn't mean that people can't think that it IS murder.

I think they're arguing for their right to think it anyway...which is still stupid.

You wouldn't say "I can think water is dry if I want."

I find it endlessly hilarious that people here are actually trying to refute a fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think they're arguing for their right to think it anyway...which is still stupid.

You wouldn't say "I can think water is dry if I want."

I find it endlessly hilarious that people here are actually trying to refute a fact.

-AC

Yeah, well, but we are not telling them that they can't think water is dry for some odd reason...we are just sayig that they are wrong, aren't we?

'Children are precious' my ass. The slobbering little airheads. Bleh.

You missed the point. Point being, you can't deny a fact. To do so is idiotic.

Then they say factual in brackets or commas as if we just THINK it's factual, when it actually is.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You missed the point. Point being, you can't deny a fact. To do so is idiotic...

That is what I was trying to tell you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is what I was trying to tell you.

But telling him is kind of pointless since he was agueing that in the first place.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But telling him is kind of pointless since he was agueing that in the first place.

Sorry, you didn't get the sarcasm in what I wrote.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, you didn't get the sarcasm in what I wrote.

Sorry, I don't even think I would have gotten it if you had put sarcasm tags all over it...oh right, cause there's no way this can be meant sarcastic.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I propose then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it:

Every person has a right to life, so the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body, everyone would grant that. But surely, a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed, an abortion may not be performed.

It sounds plausible, but now let me ask you to imagine this:

You wake up in the morning and find yourself back-to-back in bed with an unconscious violinist... a famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. Therefore, they have kidnapped you, and last night, the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own.

The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you, we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months, by then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you."

Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still?

What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but now you've got to stay in bed with the violinist plugged into you for the rest of your life, because remember this: All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body, so you cannot ever be unplugged from him."

I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.

That is outrageous Adam you are right.

Nobody "kidnaps" a pregnant woman into bed (very rarely in cases of rape)...8 out of 10 abortions are by women who either didn't use protection, or became pregnant through faulty protection.

They still decided to f*ck whoever they were with.

Nobody put a gun to their heads, and "whoops, oh no,.... now I'm in this unforseen predicament."

C'mon Adam, you're smart, and I do respect your opinion as a debator,.... but you can do better than this.

And second, it does affect me.

I pay for it through my taxes.

More than 1/3rd of my genertation is gone (why does that seem to only bother me?).. and me and my family help to pay for it.

We fund our own state-condoned genocide.

Excuse me for having an opinion about it. 🙄