Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Strife? What can I say? Too many stupid people or regular people with stupid views for my likings. If that offends anyone, I'd love to say I'm sorry but I'm not. Smarten up. Condescension? I'll deal with that hypocricy at the end of my post.

Secondly, they are your beliefs, exactly. Chosen by you later in life. They don't apply to everyone, they're not the default correct belief. You chose to be a christian, so coming in here and preaching what your religion does and does not agree with and then applying that to what may very well be athiest women, is wrong. It has no place here or anywhere.

What makes you think you have the right to tell a female that she cannot do something because of what a belief and religion YOU CHOSE, says? I'm curious. Religion has no place in this debate, which brings me back to you calling me condescending.

You believe you have the right to preach to me in a negative way about my condescension when you are prepared to argue that it's ok to tell a female what to do, or that she is wrong, because of a religion you chose to adopt? Think about the dynamics of that. Christianity is like Coldplay, I don't dislike the religion/the band nearly so much as I dislike their respective fanbases. Always talking out both sides of their mouths.

-AC

You, on the other hand, do.

And for a bit of randomness--

Lawful procedure keeps something from being murder? Then why is capital punishment considered murder?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
but why does it get to you when people don't accept your views or AC's views when you all don't accept anyone's views.

I think everyones views need to be respected. We will never respect each other if we don't respect each others opinions.

Instead of saying 'Yes it is' 'No it isn't' regarding peoples opinions on the subject, can't we just ignore it? Does it really matter so much that a few people's opinions are stopping us all from having at the very least, a half decent, respectful conversation?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Way to prove my point.

What point? That I'm arrogant? You say it like I'd ever deny that.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm afraid religion does have a place in this debate. I do not give a whit if the woman is atheist or not. My religion does not condone abortion. Therefore, abortion is wrong. As this is the case, abortion should not be practiced.

Way to prove MY point.

"I believe my religion, I chose to, so therefore everything that goes against it is wrong, and so are you if you do."

What a strong debate. Oh wait, it's not a strong debate, it's one of the worst you could ever have. Self-absorbed and selfish.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What gives me the right? The same thing that gives me the right to say that abortion is wrong. My holy text, a guide to life that lays out the rules for right and wrong--rules by which some abide and many do not. And, since I believe that more people should abide by them, I shall continue to do what is right and say that abortion is wrong and that they should not happen.

Hahaha, this does get better: "My holy text, a guide to life that lays out the rules of right and wrong."

Rules that you CHOSE to believe and abide by. They are not the default set of life rules, you weren't BORN believing in them. You grew up, adopted a belief and live your life by it. That's cool with me, but then you go and tell people they are wrong and move to make certain practices illegal based on what a holy text (That you chose to believe in) says? How much more dictator-esque do you wanna get?

Originally posted by FeceMan
You see, AC, what you've just said has nothing to do with anything. It is not condescension which leads me to be pro-life. It is not arrogance that leads me to be pro-life. And it is neither that leads me to continue this debate. I state my reasons and do not insult others often.

Nothing to do with anything? No, I'll tell YOU what has nothing to do with anything.

A young athiest woman in a hospital exercising her right to have an abortion and you saying she can't have it because your personal beliefs and holy text do not agree. Nothing to do with anything? Religion has nothing to do with anything in this debate, and if you loved your precious religion/holy text so much, you'd stop using it as a superficial anchor to get your beliefs turned into laws, you'd respect that your beliefs are just your own when it comes to religion. You won't though, because you're a self-righteous, selfish christian who would argue red over blue if the bible said so.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You, on the other hand, do.

I'll be arrogant and say things that are always relevent to this debate, you be Mr. Nice Guy and put across your points in a way that pleases everyone, cool with me. It doesn't change the fact that your points are still bs.

Originally posted by FeceMan
And for a bit of randomness--

Lawful procedure keeps something from being murder? Then why is capital punishment considered murder?

I don't consider it murder, I consider it killing in reply of saying "Killing is bad".

Originally posted by Makedde
Instead of saying 'Yes it is' 'No it isn't' regarding peoples opinions on the subject, can't we just ignore it? Does it really matter so much that a few people's opinions are stopping us all from having at the very least, a half decent, respectful conversation?

We should ignore what is and isn't factually accurate so that people who don't know what the f*ck they're talking about, can join in?

No thanks.

-AC

Edited on account of accidental double post.

-AC

Originally posted by FeceMan

And for a bit of randomness--

Lawful procedure keeps something from being murder? Then why is capital punishment considered murder?

Not under UK law- while it's legal anyway.

I also believe powerfulone quoted me somewhere but it was the usual crap that doesn't warrant a considered reply.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
but why does it get to you when people don't accept your views or AC's views when you all don't accept anyone's views.

Don't be a hypocrite please. You receive what you give. You can't expect acceptance if you and others are dismissing everything that doesn't fall under yalls views.

Look, a person doesn't have to accept anothers views to the point implementing them in their life. I'm sure if it were up to feceman he would save all lives, do away with all abortions, and do nothing to help the poor children of the world, at the same saying he did the right thing. Now that's what is hypocritical. The only reason I bring this example up is because nobody responded to that comment I made earlier. It was convienetly ignored, and buried.

I'm prepared to talk about this rationally, incorporating other peoples perspectives but know that there are a lot of people that aren't spoken for and I'm trying to make some of you aware of them. I brought up women living in abject poverty, who have to raise children. In those peoples lives aren't being saved. Kids are on the street with no homes. What do we do? Throw them in jail Force them to resort smoking and drinking because liqour stores are everywhere and their parents are busy working 12 hours a day. Do I see anyone reinforcing abortion trying to get liqour stores and cigarrettes off every other ghetto city block? Where's all this I-want-to-preserve-life self-righteousness then?

I'm off topic so let me say, in short, I listen to others views carefully and I try to respond with respectfulness but also with a firmness. I may have gotten a little frustrated but I haven't attacked anyone or their beliefs. I have simply pointed out the real circumstances of other people, but yet some people find that offensive or altogether ignore it. Not everyone has access to a computer you know. I'm sorry that I popped your bubble.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm afraid religion does have a place in this debate. I do not give a whit if the woman is atheist or not. My religion does not condone abortion. Therefore, abortion is wrong. As this is the case, abortion should not be practiced.

What gives me the right? The same thing that gives me the right to say that abortion is wrong. My holy text, a guide to life that lays out the rules for right and wrong--rules by which some abide and many do not. And, since I believe that more people should abide by them, I shall continue to do what is right and say that abortion is wrong and that they should not happen.

Doesn't seem fair for me to impose my hypothetical beliefs on you does it?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I state my reasons and do not insult others often.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Lawful procedure keeps something from being murder? Then why is capital punishment considered murder?

Originally posted by meep-meep
It was convienetly ignored, and buried.

This is becoming a massive flame war, as a level headed individual who never stoops to this kind of behaviou I would like to ask you all to desist and stay on topic! 🙁

I'm flaming no one, nor have I been flamed recently. It's just a heated debate, if that's what you mean by flame, haha. Get it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm flaming no one, nor have I been flamed recently. It's just a heated debate, if that's what you mean by flame, haha. Get it.

-AC

Yes it's certainly heated although a lot of veiled insults are being thrown around by people. As are a lot of subtle flame baits, I am not going to get into saying who is doing it. I would just like people to stick to their opinions and supporting evidence!

Yes I don't think is was got to the point of being a flame war. At least not yet. I think I've been fairly reasonable so far and I've apologized if I offended anyone, but still sticking to the facts is paramount. I'm still doing that.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Lawful procedure keeps something from being murder? Then why is capital punishment considered murder?

So what exactly is your view on punishment:

A) There is never a reason enough to kill a person

Or...

B) Imprisonment is the greatest punishment.

Originally posted by Makedde
I think everyones views need to be respected. We will never respect each other if we don't respect each others opinions.

Instead of saying 'Yes it is' 'No it isn't' regarding peoples opinions on the subject, can't we just ignore it? Does it really matter so much that a few people's opinions are stopping us all from having at the very least, a half decent, respectful conversation?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What point? That I'm arrogant? You say it like I'd ever deny that.

Way to prove MY point.

"I believe my religion, I chose to, so therefore everything that goes against it is wrong, and so are you if you do."

What a strong debate. Oh wait, it's not a strong debate, it's one of the worst you could ever have. Self-absorbed and selfish.

Hahaha, this does get better: "My holy text, a guide to life that lays out the rules of right and wrong."

Rules that you CHOSE to believe and abide by. They are not the default set of life rules, you weren't BORN believing in them. You grew up, adopted a belief and live your life by it. That's cool with me, but then you go and tell people they are wrong and move to make certain practices illegal based on what a holy text (That you chose to believe in) says? How much more dictator-esque do you wanna get?

Nothing to do with anything? No, I'll tell YOU what has nothing to do with anything.

A young athiest woman in a hospital exercising her right to have an abortion and you saying she can't have it because your personal beliefs and holy text do not agree. Nothing to do with anything? Religion has nothing to do with anything in this debate, and if you loved your precious religion/holy text so much, you'd stop using it as a superficial anchor to get your beliefs turned into laws, you'd respect that your beliefs are just your own when it comes to religion. You won't though, because you're a self-righteous, selfish christian who would argue red over blue if the bible said so.

I'll be arrogant and say things that are always relevent to this debate, you be Mr. Nice Guy and put across your points in a way that pleases everyone, cool with me. It doesn't change the fact that your points are still bs.

I don't consider it murder, I consider it killing in reply of saying "Killing is bad".

We should ignore what is and isn't factually accurate so that people who don't know what the f*ck they're talking about, can join in?

No thanks.

-AC

and this is why we will never progress in this thread.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Not under UK law- while it's legal anyway.

I also believe powerfulone quoted me somewhere but it was the usual crap that doesn't warrant a considered reply.

Seems as if you felt the need to reply even though you say you aren't replying. Huh. Ironic.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This is becoming a massive flame war, as a level headed individual who never stoops to this kind of behaviou I would like to ask you all to desist and stay on topic! 🙁

yes insults are being thrown left and right and by some of the same people repeatedly over and over again.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm flaming no one, nor have I been flamed recently. It's just a heated debate, if that's what you mean by flame, haha. Get it.

-AC

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987

Seems as if you felt the need to reply even though you say you aren't replying. Huh. Ironic.

So...what exactly is your view on abortion?

Don't recall you mentioning it.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Anyone want to add anything constructive or should this thread die (again)?

Ha, I was right.

Nice quote there, as if you knew everything about me. Being that I used to be a Christian and attended Christian schools for 10 years, I stick to what I said firmly.

In 10 years, I've seen ONE logical Christian, and he doesn't even practice the religion. My sweeping generalization stands.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Ha, I was right.

Nice quote there, as if you knew everything about me. Being that I used to be a Christian and attended Christian schools for 10 years, I stick to what I said firmly.

In 10 years, I've seen ONE logical Christian, and he doesn't even practice the religion. My sweeping generalization stands.

Seems there's quite a few non-Christians talking about Christianity in the abortion thread......

I love it! 😈

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So...what exactly is your view on abortion?

Don't recall you mentioning it.

yes I stated it and was hassled for it by members and by one in particular and nothing came of it but useless immature bickering and I see no need to go that route again.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Seems there's quite a few [B]non-Christians talking about Christianity in the abortion thread......

I love it! 😈 [/B]

Christians are the main protesters of abortion. Why wouldn't they be talked about? As previously stated here, Christianity is doing the exact same thing that caused the religion to split up into so many branches. One branch telling all the others what is right. How DARE Christians, of all the ****ing people in the world, tell someone what they can and cannot do. Then someone tells you that you can't practice your religion, and what do you guys say? "You can't tell us what to do! We're leaving and making yet another branch of Christianity!"

****ing hypocrits, the lot of you. How dare you tell someone what they can and cannot do under their own beliefs. You make me sick.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
yes I stated it and was hassled for it by members and by one in particular and nothing came of it but useless immature bickering and I see no need to go that route again.

is it comprehensible.....

Don't you think it's a bit stupid of you, also hypocritical, to take the time making a long post of off topic irrelevancy like you just did, only to say that being ON topic is too much hassle?

Why are you even in this thread then? All I've seen you do is cheerlead and cry when your opinion is challenged.

-AC

well then don't become a christian and shut up please.

is it comprehensible.....