Abortion

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
and you. Will you please stop commenting Christians. Negatively speaking of another's religion is uncalled for. Just make sure your head is never submersed in water and you'll be straight ok. Now get off of this whole Christianity thing.

is it comprehensible.....

I'm on Christianity because it's the most obvious form of what is wrong with religion, but all organized religions are guilty of the same exact things.

And I was already baptised at birth. Officially I'm supposed to be Catholic

Since I'm far too lazy to actually read all 228 pages of this thread, can someone please correct me if I'm wrong in saying the following?

Against Abortion-ers: Believe that aborting fetuses is the equivalent of murder, which is always wrong. Everyone has a right to life, including (unwanted) fetuses.

Pro Abortion-ers: Believe that fetuses are not people, so it is perfectly right to abort them, as choice is a right for all women.

P.S. Is my sig offensive to right-to-lifers?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Wow are you angry!!!

(were you beaten by a nun or something?)

Don't be foolish, of course Christians are the primary supporters of the pro-life movement, that's already a known fact.

Railing about the "hypocritical Christians" whom you have met is off-topic.

Apparently you have met some bad ones, and for that I'm sorry.

I stand for what is good, right, and true. (key empahsis on [B]true )

So of course I would protest against restricting religion, (anybody's, not just mine), and of course I would protest against abortion or gay marriage, or drug-use, violence.... etc.

To me they are all things that ,while an undeniable part of our culture, are not "good,right, and true."

I define them that way because of Christianity, and nothing you or anybody else has to say is true for me and my life if it contradicts the Bible. [/B]

According to the Bible, God approves of the killing of born and unborn children (Hosea 9:14, 16; Hosea 13:16; 2 Samuel 12:14; and Numbers 5:27-28). Therefore, your view on abortion is unbiblical.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to the Bible, God approves of the killing of born and unborn children (Hosea 9:14, 16; Hosea 13:16; 2 Samuel 12:14; and Numbers 5:27-28). Therefore, your view on abortion is unbiblical.

Sounds like someone loves the Old Testament................well buck up camper and don't worry not all Christians believe everything of the bible or else there would be some nonbelievers getting stoned right now and I don't mean THC.

Originally posted by soleran30
Sounds like someone loves the Old Testament................well buck up camper and don't worry not all Christians believe everything of the bible or else there would be some nonbelievers getting stoned right now and I don't mean THC.

There are Christians that do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible? What Christians would those be?

so i guess christians are free to selectively enforce parts of the bible and denounce others? new to me. makes me wonder how i ever recieved confirmation, being as ignorant as i am. i never knew i could just look at part of the bible and say "you know what? naaaaa thats bullshit" but then flip a page and say "THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD!!!"

Originally posted by PVS
i never knew i could just look at part of the bible and say "you know what? naaaaa thats bullshit" but then flip a page and say "THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD!!!"

not that I disagree or agree or anything, I just find this part of your post hilarious.

is it comprehensible.....

wow now a catholic in our midst.........................anyway people believe what they want but to lump christians into a fold and say if you don't believe the whole bible your a hypocrite makes you seem rather ignorant.

Originally posted by PVS
so i guess christians are free to selectively enforce parts of the bible and denounce others? new to me. makes me wonder how i ever recieved confirmation, being as ignorant as i am. i never knew i could just look at part of the bible and say "you know what? naaaaa thats bullshit" but then flip a page and say "THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD!!!"

I'd say most Christians agree that parts of the Bible are true while saying the controvesial parts are "metaphorical" or "symbolic". Or that "That's the Old Testament. That doesn't count anymore, Jesus came." Right, well then why are Christians still using and quoting that part of the Bible? I constantly get Psalm and creationist quotes thrown at me when apparently that whole half of the book is supposed to not matter anymore.

Originally posted by PVS
so i guess christians are free to selectively enforce parts of the bible and denounce others? new to me. makes me wonder how i ever recieved confirmation, being as ignorant as i am. i never knew i could just look at part of the bible and say "you know what? naaaaa thats bullshit" but then flip a page and say "THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD!!!"

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Originally posted by Julie
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.

Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?

I don't really care what a person does with their babies. Sure there are a lot aof repurcussions, and nightmares, and the un-ability to have babies later, but that's their decision when taking that risk.

but we always piss off my math teacher (really pro-life) going like "Save a tree, kill a baby." (the save a tree part is a long story for another day)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you even in this thread then? All I've seen you do is cheerlead and cry when your opinion is challenged.

-AC

As do you when people don't agree with your opinion.

Originally posted by crazylozer
Against Abortion-ers: Believe that aborting fetuses is the equivalent of murder, which is always wrong. Everyone has a right to life, including (unwanted) fetuses.

Yes and no, with the 'everyone has the right to life' comment. People can be pro life, but not 100% pro life. They can also support vuluntary euthanasia and/or the death penalty, but most pro lifers are against aall types of killing.

Originally posted by crazylozer
Pro Abortion-ers: Believe that fetuses are not people, so it is perfectly right to abort them, as choice is a right for all women.

That's what they believe. IMO, a fetus should be given the same rights as a person when it reachs viablity.

Let me bring up something which I posted ages ago but didn't really get a reply to it.

A woman and her boyfriend have been together for 2 years. She gets pregnant. He is happy, says he will support her and her baby. She doesn't want the baby, so has an abortion, because it is her body, and she do with it what she will. The man is devastated, he wanted his child, and is upset that his girlfriend killed it.

A woman falls pregnant to her boyfriend. He doesn't want the baby at all, but she does. She decides to keep the child. They break up, then when the baby is born, the woman sues the man for child support. The man know has to pay child support to help raise a child he never wanted in the first place.

Both men are punished for a choice they did not make. Why is a woman able to abort a child that is wanted by the father, but can sue a man for child support and have him pay for a child he didn't want? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Here's something else.

A man has HIV, and has unprotected sex with a woman, passing the disease to her. Weeks before she had an abortion, the father being the man with HIV. She demands to know why he didn't tell her he was HIV postive, and he demands to know why she didn't tell him she was pregnant with his child, and didn't tell him she was going to have an abortion. She says 'it's my right to have an abortion, it is my body', to which he replys 'well, this is my body, too, and my right as whether I tell anyone I am HIV positive'

Who is in the wrong here? Should a man with HIV have to tell any woman he is infected before he has sex with them? As it is HIS body, doesn't he also have a CHOICE as to whether he tells his sexual partners he has HIV? Isn't it the womans responsiblity to make sure the man uses a condom, seeing as she is the one who will get pregnant?

Whose fault is it that the woman has HIV? The mans fault, for not telling her, or her fault, for not insisting on him using a condom?

Originally posted by Makedde
A woman and her boyfriend have been together for 2 years. She gets pregnant. He is happy, says he will support her and her baby. She doesn't want the baby, so has an abortion, because it is her body, and she do with it what she will. The man is devastated, he wanted his child, and is upset that his girlfriend killed it.

Originally posted by Makedde
A woman falls pregnant to her boyfriend. He doesn't want the baby at all, but she does. She decides to keep the child. They break up, then when the baby is born, the woman sues the man for child support. The man know has to pay child support to help raise a child he never wanted in the first place.

Originally posted by Makedde
Both men are punished for a choice they did not make. Why is a woman able to abort a child that is wanted by the father, but can sue a man for child support and have him pay for a child he didn't want? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Originally posted by Makedde
A man has HIV, and has unprotected sex with a woman, passing the disease to her. Weeks before she had an abortion, the father being the man with HIV. She demands to know why he didn't tell her he was HIV postive, and he demands to know why she didn't tell him she was pregnant with his child, and didn't tell him she was going to have an abortion. She says 'it's my right to have an abortion, it is my body', to which he replys 'well, this is my body, too, and my right as whether I tell anyone I am HIV positive'

Who is in the wrong here? Should a man with HIV have to tell any woman he is infected before he has sex with them? As it is HIS body, doesn't he also have a CHOICE as to whether he tells his sexual partners he has HIV? Isn't it the womans responsiblity to make sure the man uses a condom, seeing as she is the one who will get pregnant?

Whose fault is it that the woman has HIV? The mans fault, for not telling her, or her fault, for not insisting on him using a condom?

It is still the woman's fault she has HIV. One should insist on wearing a condom until you get your partner tested.

This didn't further your side any. The only scenario where abortion was questionable was the first. Even then it was only questionable morally. Ultimately, it's still the woman's choice no matter how irresponsible she was.

Originally posted by Makedde
Let me bring up something which I posted ages ago but didn't really get a reply to it.

A woman and her boyfriend have been together for 2 years. She gets pregnant. He is happy, says he will support her and her baby. She doesn't want the baby, so has an abortion, because it is her body, and she do with it what she will. The man is devastated, he wanted his child, and is upset that his girlfriend killed it.

A woman falls pregnant to her boyfriend. He doesn't want the baby at all, but she does. She decides to keep the child. They break up, then when the baby is born, the woman sues the man for child support. The man know has to pay child support to help raise a child he never wanted in the first place.

Both men are punished for a choice they did not make. Why is a woman able to abort a child that is wanted by the father, but can sue a man for child support and have him pay for a child he didn't want? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Well that's how it works. It's the only plausible way, seeing as the baby develops in the woman's body. Can be unfair, but I can't think of a more feasible way it could be set up.

Originally posted by Makedde

A man has HIV, and has unprotected sex with a woman, passing the disease to her. Weeks before she had an abortion, the father being the man with HIV. She demands to know why he didn't tell her he was HIV postive, and he demands to know why she didn't tell him she was pregnant with his child, and didn't tell him she was going to have an abortion. She says 'it's my right to have an abortion, it is my body', to which he replys 'well, this is my body, too, and my right as whether I tell anyone I am HIV positive'

Who is in the wrong here? Should a man with HIV have to tell any woman he is infected before he has sex with them? As it is HIS body, doesn't he also have a CHOICE as to whether he tells his sexual partners he has HIV? Isn't it the womans responsiblity to make sure the man uses a condom, seeing as she is the one who will get pregnant?

Whose fault is it that the woman has HIV? The mans fault, for not telling her, or her fault, for not insisting on him using a condom?

It's not really the same thing. That's like me punching you in the face and saying 'well, it's my hand and my body. I was punching there anyway and I CHOSE not to tell you'.

Besides, knowingly infecting someone with HIV without their consenting to the risk is a crime, and is punishable by anything up to life.

Yes, but I am using the 'my body my choice' argument.

Do I have the right to kill myself whenever I want because this is my body? I don't, because if I tried, and some reason didn't suceed, I'd be locked in a hospital because killing myself is wrong. Why is it wrong when it is my body? Don't I have that choice? Doesn't anyone have that choice, surely women can't have the choice.

Originally posted by Makedde
Yes, but I am using the 'my body my choice' argument.

Do I have the right to kill myself whenever I want because this is my body? I don't, because if I tried, and some reason didn't suceed, I'd be locked in a hospital because killing myself is wrong. Why is it wrong when it is my body? Don't I have that choice? Doesn't anyone have that choice, surely women can't have the choice.

That would be to prevent further harm to yourself, as a suicide attempt is seen as an extreme reaction to a lesser problem.

How about we make the next post on abortion?

Originally posted by Makedde
Yes, but I am using the 'my body my choice' argument.

Originally posted by Makedde
Do I have the right to kill myself whenever I want because this is my body? I don't, because if I tried, and some reason didn't suceed, I'd be locked in a hospital because killing myself is wrong. Why is it wrong when it is my body? Don't I have that choice? Doesn't anyone have that choice, surely women can't have the choice.

It is also assumed you have mental problems if you attempt suicide and are not capable of making rational decisions on your own. The same is not true of abortion.

*Tries to help the straw man up but Makedde jumps on him and starts pummeling him again*

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
How about we make the next post on abortion?

I amaking posts on abortion, I am just talking about different things, using the 'my body my choice' argument. You can use that same statement in many other things, you know.