I know many who are open-minded about abortion.
To quote a friend of mine:
"I don't like abortion, so I'll never have one. I'm also not every other woman, so it's entirely her choice what she does with her body. I believe in God and I have no doubt he exists, but the God I represent isn't a God that would oppress others, or have his followers do the same."
-AC
Originally posted by StyleTime
Basically.
So if I came from a country where abortion was considered to be murder, we wouldn't be having this argument, right?
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's not about believing something you don't want to. (Which is quite a hypocritical thing to say considering your position in this debate). It's about accepting fact. Until the fact changes, you should call it something that it is. What is so bad about just using "killing"?
Abortion is killing? It is that, but killing is murder, is it not?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know many who are open-minded about abortion.To quote a friend of mine:
"I don't like abortion, so I'll never have one. I'm also not every other woman, so it's entirely her choice what she does with her body. I believe in God and I have no doubt he exists, but the God I represent isn't a God that would oppress others, or have his followers do the same."
-AC
I agree with that in part. I wouldn't want to prevent anyone from having an abortion, because I wouldn't want anyone telling me what to do with my body, so I can understand it when women say that it is there body. Howvere, there should be a cut off point. At 22 weeks, the fetus is viable. It is more mature than it was, and can survive on it's own, without the mothers help. If the baby is healthy, it should not be aborted, I just don't see the point in aborting a perfectly healthy child. He or she should be born, and every effort made to save it's life. I don't believe that just because a woman wants her baby dead, that the baby must be killed, not when it can survive.
Originally posted by Makedde
Here, and where you live, abortion isn't murder, but I'll bet there is at least one country where abortion is considered to be murder. If one country has different abortion laws, how can abortion NOT be murder? If it wasn't, wouldn't all countries have the same laws in place?
So if you know abortion isn't murder, why keep saying it? Do you think it's cool or rebellious?
Secondly, no. Nobody can claim abortion is factually murder because there are MANY countries with laws that say it isn't, and since murder is SOLELY a legal term and abortion can NEVER apply to it, it's never murder.
-AC
Originally posted by Makedde
Abortion is killing? It is that, but killing is murder, is it not?
For crying out loud, Mak.
This has been explained to you about 10 times. You ask why this debate can't progress? THIS is why. I am now returning to a resolved issue from pages back, because you have zero attention span and it would seem, intelligence.
Killing isn't murder is it? Murder is a crime, a very specific crime. Killing is an act.
Killing must be done for murder to be passed but not all killing is murder.
Don't ever ask me why I call you stupid, again.
-AC
In court yesterday, a woman was awarded $100,000 in compensation over a botched abortion. She was 9 weeks pregnant when she went for the abortion, but it failed. Three weeks later she discovered she was still pregnant. Her son is now 8 years old, and his mother sued the doctor over the failed abortion. She was given compensation to help raise a child she never wanted.
I think this is pathetic. She was 12 weeks pregnant when she discovered there was still a baby, she could have legally aborted the baby, but chose not too. She could have given the baby up for adoption, but chose not to. Now she thinks she has the right to demand money to help raise a child she never wanted?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So if you know abortion isn't murder, why keep saying it? Do you think it's cool or rebellious?Secondly, no. Nobody can claim abortion is factually murder because there are MANY countries with laws that say it isn't, and since murder is SOLELY a legal term and abortion can NEVER apply to it, it's never murder.
-AC
But there are countries that say abortion is murder, so no one can factually claim that abortion isn't murder. It works both ways.
I think the the legal cut off time for an abortion should be when the developing human loses its gills and tail, and actually starts looking like an anatomically correct human.
I can feel a lot more sympathy for something that looks like a baby, as opposed to something that looks like a tadpole turning into a frog.
Originally posted by Makedde
I agree with that in part. I wouldn't want to prevent anyone from having an abortion, because I wouldn't want anyone telling me what to do with my body, so I can understand it when women say that it is there body. Howvere, there should be a cut off point. At 22 weeks, the fetus is viable. It is more mature than it was, and can survive on it's own, without the mothers help. If the baby is healthy, it should not be aborted, I just don't see the point in aborting a perfectly healthy child. He or she should be born, and every effort made to save it's life. I don't believe that just because a woman wants her baby dead, that the baby must be killed, not when it can survive.
and Makedde at 22 weeks or around 5 months in my opinion is well beyond the doubt stage and its a place developmentally where a fetus has changes dramatically from inception that make it able even as a preme to live.
Its in this stage where people who abort for reasons other then health should receive punishment.
Quiero, that's the problem. People are swayed by "Awww".
Originally posted by Makedde
But there are countries that say abortion is murder, so no one can factually claim that abortion isn't murder. It works both ways.
No, no, no. I actually feel my spirit draining when you post, Mak.
MURDER is a very, very specific crime. Abortion does NOT fit that crime or the definition of, therefore it is factually not murder.
Originally posted by soleran30
Its in this stage where people who abort for reasons other then health should receive punishment.
Yeah, or you could choose to not let someone else's business concern you and just stay out of it.
-AC
Originally posted by BackFire
It's not dramatic enough.
Originally posted by Makedde
So if I came from a country where abortion was considered to be murder, we wouldn't be having this argument, right?
Originally posted by Makedde
Abortion is killing? It is that, but killing is murder, is it not?
Originally posted by Makedde
I agree with that in part. I wouldn't want to prevent anyone from having an abortion, because I wouldn't want anyone telling me what to do with my body, so I can understand it when women say that it is there body.
Originally posted by Makedde
Howvere, there should be a cut off point. At 22 weeks, the fetus is viable. It is more mature than it was, and can survive on it's own, without the mothers help. If the baby is healthy, it should not be aborted, I just don't see the point in aborting a perfectly healthy child.
Originally posted by Makedde
He or she should be born, and every effort made to save it's life. I don't believe that just because a woman wants her baby dead, that the baby must be killed, not when it can survive.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, or you could choose to not let someone else's business concern you and just stay out of it.-AC
Yup I could say that about alot of things as well murder, theft, rape, etc etc doesn't make them go away or change them.
Anyway you cut it, when done for a purpose other then health reasons third trimester abortions are ending a life. A viable life capable of living with medical treatment. Most times abortions are paid for by tax dollars MY DOLLARS.