Abortion

It's quite sad that this thread has actually lasted 234 pages about a choice - because that's what it is - that should always remain the prerogative of the mother.

The simple truth is that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but the choice must remain that; a choice. So many Christians blather on about their God giving them free-will when trying to explain away some of the bad things that happen, but when ultimate free-will is required by a fellow human, they demand that their choices are limited. Can they really not see the utter hypocrisy of this? A religion that preaches tolerance of people different from themselves, but practices something entirely different.

Respect the right to choose. It's none of your business, anyway.

Choice but, until the ending of the first trimester.

No, still choice. Just one that you disagree with.

-AC

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's quite sad that this thread has actually lasted 234 pages about a choice - because that's what it is - that should always remain the prerogative of the mother.

The simple truth is that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but the choice must remain that; a choice. So many Christians blather on about their God giving them free-will when trying to explain away some of the bad things that happen, but when ultimate free-will is required by a fellow human, they demand that their choices are limited. Can they really not see the utter hypocrisy of this? A religion that preaches tolerance of people different from themselves, but practices something entirely different.

Respect the right to choose. It's none of your business, anyway.

Just for the record I disagree with this point of view, I'm pro-choice.

It's not murder though, they are wrong. Hence why this debate never gets anywhere.

-AC

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's quite sad that this thread has actually lasted 234 pages about a choice - because that's what it is - that should always remain the prerogative of the mother.

The simple truth is that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but the choice must remain that; a choice. So many Christians blather on about their God giving them free-will when trying to explain away some of the bad things that happen, but when ultimate free-will is required by a fellow human, they demand that their choices are limited. Can they really not see the utter hypocrisy of this? A religion that preaches tolerance of people different from themselves, but practices something entirely different.

Respect the right to choose. It's none of your business, anyway.

True dat.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, still choice. Just one that you disagree with.

-AC

Double true dat.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's quite sad that this thread has actually lasted 234 pages about a choice - because that's what it is - that should always remain the prerogative of the mother.

The simple truth is that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but the choice must remain that; a choice. So many Christians blather on about their God giving them free-will when trying to explain away some of the bad things that happen, but when ultimate free-will is required by a fellow human, they demand that their choices are limited. Can they really not see the utter hypocrisy of this? A religion that preaches tolerance of people different from themselves, but practices something entirely different.

Respect the right to choose. It's none of your business, anyway.

They just don't understand this concept.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
They just don't understand this concept.

Not all pro-life people are religious you know.... 😉

Some just look at the info. surrounding abortions and the beginning of life (like some of the stuff that I posted) and make an informed decision that abortion is wrong.

Agreed, it's still just an opinion, but don't think that everybody who comes to it had a conversation with the Almighty..... 😛

Originally posted by Makedde

Abortion is killing? It is that, but killing is murder, is it not?

Hahaha. Good one.

...It was a joke, wasn't it. Wasn't it?

For the sake of my future mental health, please say yes.

Am I not the only one that aggravates you?????..........LOL.......<---dotz

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Not all pro-life people are religious you know.... 😉

Some just look at the info. surrounding abortions and the beginning of life (like some of the stuff that I posted) and make an informed decision that abortion is wrong.

Agreed, it's still just an opinion, but don't think that everybody who comes to it had a conversation with the Almighty..... 😛

Holy shit, let me mark down this date an time, I agree with sithsaber!? oh SHIT!

yea its true not all who come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong is religious, but nonetheless, keeping a woman from having an abortion is still forcing one person's view on another. one of the first things that comes to mind when this is mentioned is religion, why? because all religions are constantly trying to convert people to their religion. its just wrong and its the very reason america was founded. not that we live by that rule anyway *coughnativeamericanscough*

Originally posted by debbiejo
Am I not the only one that aggravates you?????..........LOL.......<---dotz

You'll always be my #1, Debbie.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Not all pro-life people are religious you know....

Of course, not all restriction-of-choice people are religious, but their views are deeply puritanical. They also share another trait with the religious right in their inability to comprehend something which should be unequivocal; a human's right to make decisions based on their own view.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Some just look at the info. surrounding abortions and the beginning of life (like some of the stuff that I posted) and make an informed decision that abortion is wrong.

Abortion is not something that is 'right' or 'wrong'. It is a decision that is not easily made, but the choice to have it should remain. I've already stated that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but making it illegal means that the people that have reasons to want it are denied this life choice. If you refer to yourself as 'pro-life', then what is the life you seek that denies a human's right to choose?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Am I not the only one that aggravates you?????..........LOL.......<---dotz

Um.. Hi debbiejo. I've never met you so I'll take the time to introduce myself.

I am StyleTime.

Who is the mother of this thread, so we can ask for this thread to be aborted. 😆

Originally posted by The Omega
Abortions and infanticide has been going on in human civilistaion since we lived in caves. If the tribe was starving for example and couldn't feed enough mouths, hen there was no room for more babies.

Sure - a world without abortions would be nice. But so would a world without rape. And a world where women do not loose their jobs because of pregnancies or where women don't loose career-opportunities because they have to take care of a child.
So - abortion is a tool to ensure equality between the genders.

I cannot help but think that if the self-proclaimed anti-abortionists would spend half the time they spend on prosecuting unfortunate women on helping children that HAVE BEEN born into poverty instead, the world might be nicer, too.

I just felt like bumping this quote. It's spot on.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
It's quite sad that this thread has actually lasted 234 pages about a choice - because that's what it is - that should always remain the prerogative of the mother.

The simple truth is that most people would not choose to have an abortion, but the choice must remain that; a choice. So many Christians blather on about their God giving them free-will when trying to explain away some of the bad things that happen, but when ultimate free-will is required by a fellow human, they demand that their choices are limited. Can they really not see the utter hypocrisy of this? A religion that preaches tolerance of people different from themselves, but practices something entirely different.

Respect the right to choose. It's none of your business, anyway.

Again, this is spectacular ignorance of the point.

Do you respect the rights of murderers to choose to murder their victims?

The Pro-Life people think there is moral equivalence between that and abortion, so want it illegal, just as with murder and assault. It has absolutely nothing to do with choice at all; it is a deeply moral matter.

There is a point in society where we say 'No' to someone's choice because it is considered morally wrong to allow it. Pro-Life people think abortion is on the 'No' side of that line and want the laws changed and/or kept (as appropriate) to reflect that. Simple as that. It's not a totally unreasonable view and you cannot simply reject it because you think they should allow choice; to do that you would have to establish that it is a morally acceptable choice, and science cannot do that; it is all opinion.

I have little doubt that even if science COULD prove it, religion would not agree, but that is besides the point.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, this is spectacular ignorance of the point.

Do you respect the rights of murderers to murder their victims?

The Pro-Life people think there is moral equivalence between that and abortion, so want it illegal, just as with murder and assault. It has absolutely nothing to do with choice at all; it is a deeply moral matter.

There is a point in society where we say 'No' to someone's choice because it is considered morally wrong to allow it. Pro-Life people think abortion is on the 'No' side of that line and want the laws changed and/or kept (as appropriate) to reflect that. Simple as that. It's not a totally unreasonable view and you cannot simply reject it because you think they should allow choice; to do that you would have to establish that it is a morally acceptable choice, and science cannot do that; it is all opinion.

I have little doubt that even if science COULD prove it, religion would not agree, but that is besides the point.

See Ush you are going to have to say that again just slower because some people just have such a hard time understanding what you just said there🙂

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, this is spectacular ignorance of the point.

Do you respect the rights of murderers to choose to murder their victims?

The Pro-Life people think there is moral equivalence between that and abortion, so want it illegal, just as with murder and assault. It has absolutely nothing to do with choice at all; it is a deeply moral matter.

Still not caught on that regardless how many agreeing moral driven opinions there are, it's still subjective? Shame that.

The people equating murder and abortion are wrong, as they have been proven to be many times. I fail to see why you continue a pointless crusade to prove they are right or allowed to attempt it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
There is a point in society where we say 'No' to someone's choice because it is considered morally wrong to allow it.

Precisely. Considered by you to be morally wrong. Fair enough if you disagree with it, you have no right to try and stop a woman doing something that isn't hurting anyone or anything. It disagrees with your morals, tough shit.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Pro-Life people think abortion is on the 'No' side of that line and want the laws changed and/or kept (as appropriate) to reflect that. Simple as that. It's not a totally unreasonable view and you cannot simply reject it because you think they should allow choice; to do that you would have to establish that it is a morally acceptable choice, and science cannot do that; it is all opinion.

Establish that it's a morally acceptable choice? To some people it is very much so. To some people it's perfectly fine to allow a woman to do whatever she wants with her own body as long as she is not hurting anyone. You are proposing that because the majority doesn't like it (again opinion) they have the right to force a woman not to.

It's not ignorance of a point, it's "simple as that". You need to stop treating morals as concrete. No matter how accepted a moral idea is, it's never absolute, your inability to grasp that is what's ignorance.

-AC