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THE BOTEM LINE
Abortion is a matter of Choice if a mother cant handle a baby and wants to get an abortion Let them theve made a choice
You want to agrue on relgious grounds well heres a little thing if your relgion worships i dunno say a guy named bill then thats god but say my relgin worships a girl named jenney then thats a godess netheir one is right in the other ones eye its personal perfrance so there for christians can say there against abortion so they wont get it down fine
But Not every has the same belifes this really comes down to freedom and if you are saying its wrong to kill something that feels no pain isnt really alive, instead of putting it through a living hell because its mom had it to young you got to ask your self WHY
And that my friends is THE BOTTOM LINE
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MY Take
Originally posted by WindDancer
So if the victim decides to keep the pregnancy isn't that consider pro-life?[b]"Yea but NO contraceptive is 100% effective. Condoms are infact about only 70% effective at preventing pregnancies. So women are meant to give up sex altogether?"
That's the biggest excuse for those that support Abortion! Contraceptives aren't always effective. The condom is only 70% effective? How about using the pill or the birth control pad? Why not all three during sex? Is it really that hard to use them? [/B]
EXACTLY! 🙂
I agree with F_doomed: It's their choice. I don't know about everywhere else, but in Australia the age of consent is 16, and if a 16 year old girl gets pregnant it's her choice on whether she wants an abortion. If someone under 16 got pregnant, I think it's the parents that have the final say. Abortion is a choice to be made by the woman who is pregnant herself. Society shouldn't try manipulate and change a person's free will.
Originally posted by Imaginary
I agree with F_doomed: It's their choice. I don't know about everywhere else, but in Australia the age of consent is 16, and if a 16 year old girl gets pregnant it's her choice on whether she wants an abortion. If someone under 16 got pregnant, I think it's the parents that have the final say. Abortion is a choice to be made by the woman who is pregnant herself. Society shouldn't try manipulate and change a person's free will.
The parents shld not be able to tell their child to have an abortion, they are not the ones that will live with that guilt the rest of their lives, their daughter will. I thk the Justice system shld kick in when murder is involved and to me thats what abortion is, murder.
This is a very controversial issue, but I personally dont support abortion. The argument is interesting for free choice, but this isn't choosing what what to wear. I could go of on a tangant, and say, drugs are about free choice, and the response would be, well they destroy lives. They kill. But really, I feel abortion is killing. Sure, one might say, its not really a human at that stage, but the fact that if it was not aborted there is a very good chance that the foetus would grow into a human. One of us.
And should women stop having sex? No, but there are ways to minimise the risk, and it should be remembered that the majority of abortions are carried (controversy) out by those who have in fact practiced unsafe sex. And I believe in responsibility, every path has a cost, and we must be prepared for it, there should be no quick fix.
Of course my biggest gripe is with euthanasia. I support it. Odd, for one who doesn't support abortion? Not really. I mean, they say a person with a fatal disease that WILL kill them in a rather horrible way has no right to end it peacefully, despite "choice", but then a foetus, a very young unborn baby can be "terminated", killed, with no thoughts of its future rights, no thought to its "pro choice".........
Originally posted by WindDancer
That's the biggest excuse for those that support Abortion! Contraceptives aren't always effective. The condom is only 70% effective? How about using the pill or the birth control pad? Why not all three during sex? Is it really that hard to use them?
PR1983> You’re right. You can’t make abortions illegal, only dangerous as your example of girls travelling to England shows.
WindDancer> So now people are supposed to both use condoms, foam and the pill? (The latter isn’t GOOD for women, you know?).
I don’t support using abortion as a “late” contraceptive either. But it is NOT my choice, nor my decision. And as I have pointed out before… In some areas of the world (the US included) there is an appalling lack of sex ed, with the medieval abstinence as the only “right choice” that it’s a small wonder people get pregnant.
Imperial_Samurai> How do YOU know that the majority of abortions gets done on people who had unsafe sex?
In enlightened parts of the world contraception IS being used. But it’s not 100 % safe. That’s just the way it is. When contraception IS being used obviously people do not WANT a child. If the accident happens, well then, fortunately we can remove the unwanted foetus.
What really bakes my noodle is this INSISTENCE on birth on behalf of the anti-abortionists. No one seems to take into account the fact, that unwanted children usually do not have a happy childhood. Heck, even wanted children may have a hell of a childhood.
Children around the world – right now – STARVE. They live in utmost poverty, with no chance in life. 16 people die each minute of poverty-related diseases.
Humans have used abortion an infanticide since the dawn of time – An unwanted child is a burden on parents and kingroup. Why burden those THAT ALREADY LIVE with another hungry mouth?
This perspective is ignored by anti-abortionists. And that, in my opinion, is their gravest mistake.
"It also achieves nothing. People will just be forced to get illegal abortions without the safety and responsibility of a professional. Also, the proceeds of said underground abortion will go to criminals and the like, rather then the government."
It seems so hard to believe that in such a case a woman would want to abort so bad they would risk both their lives and jail....
Hmmm, I base that on statistics. And I realise no contraceptive is 100% effective, but they limit the chances. Limit. And UN studies have discovered massive drops in child birth in 3rd world nations that have implemented simple things like contraceptives. And I feel it is awfully harsh to say "the world is full enough as it is." And where does it stop, the countries you refer to, the ones with millions of children staving, do- not-have access to abortion tech and such like western countries, thus abortion does not really help them much keeping new mouths from the table. And somehow I feel all the unhappy youngsters out there would not feel better if people went around saying "I bet you wish you had been aborted now".........
Originally posted by WindDancer
Yes! you caught my little dark humor there. I hope some of you didn't think I was joking about rape (I take that very seriously). My point regarding the gun comment was that nowadays women do carry some kind of defensive weapon with them. Not necessary a gun, but like electro-shocker sticks or Pepper spray. There have been attempted rape cases in which the victim was fortunate to survive the attack because she was carry a bottle maze spray.Early in this thread I posted a comment about a rape case and abortion. If a woman is rape and becomes pregnant it is her choice to have an abortion or keep the baby. No matter what her decision might it should be influence by pro-life or pro-choice groups. In other words the decision on keeping the baby should be made by the victim. Not by pro-life or pro-choice groups.
Now, for the average women (not rape victims) that use abortion as the only solution to the unwanted pregnancy....those I don't agree with. I continue to support condoms, jelly, foam or other contraceptive. And my view is that if a woman would rather spend let's say $300 on an abortion rather than buying a $6.99 contraceptive, then the Abortion clinic should charge extra to those women. Abortion is not the only solution to an unwanted pregancy. Use contraceptives is safer and much cheaper than an abortion.
I must admit I'm not too fond of the idea of women starting to carry weapons. if the rapist manages to force it from his victim, she's in even more trouble as he'll be more aggressive. alarms might work better, as they're harmless and difficult to kill off. but I think all of this comes down to the need of paying more attention to the subject.as it is in denmark, I at times feel this specific crime isn't considered as serious as let's say violence or fraud. that's a wrong signal to send out. also more treatment of both rapist and victim is needed, as well as more courses offered to the police on how to deal with such a crime.
I agree that the decision should be her's alone. neutral guidance from professionals might still be a very good idea though.
I don't think the majority of women who undergo an abortion do so as a substitute for contraception (though I have no statistics to back me up on this.) at least not in the countries that provide proper information on sex.
besides, it is impossible to decide whether a woman's in need of an abortion because of the condom bursting or because she likes sex on the rocks. unless of course she pays the clinic regular visits.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"It also achieves nothing. People will just be forced to get illegal abortions without the safety and responsibility of a professional. Also, the proceeds of said underground abortion will go to criminals and the like, rather then the government."It seems so hard to believe that in such a case a woman would want to abort so bad they would risk both their lives and jail....
take a look in the history books: it has happened and it happens. on the kitchen table with red hot iron sticks.
in some environments it is considered shamefull to have an unmarried yet pregnant relative. this can mean that the family rejects the woman and her child, or even, in the worst cases, mutilate or kill the unfortunate mother.
"and somehow I feel all the unhappy youngsters out there would not feel better if people went around saying: " I bet you wish you had been aborted now" ...
this has nothing to do with the matter. quite the opposite actually. what people in this thread have been saying is that the attention shouldn't be on the 'well-being' of the unborn, but on those already born and now suffering. saying " I bet ..." won't do them any good. now they're here and must be taken care of. if this means their mother doesn't have the time/affection/money for any siblings, an abortion is a better option.
I think abortion is a horrible barbaric practice that results in the unmoral termination of a human life.
I think that it is an avoidable practice that should not have to occur. (Except in the case of rape)
Women & men should be responsible enough to use birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Parent's need to educate their children about protecting themselves from unwanted pregnancies.
That being said...I would NEVER want abortion to be illegal.
I believe that everyone owns their body and has the right to intervene and interfere with any process that occurs on and in their person.
I would never forcefully impose my own beliefs upon anyone else.
I just wish people would be more responsible when it comes to sex.