i am Pro abortion i think it should be left up to the mom and to all you people out there agaist it i got a Question which is better a baby going through hell because there mom is like 17 or a one that dosent have to deal with that and if you think it violates god then why did he give us the science to figure out how to do it ?
Oh yeah and peps that say its only okay if you get raped How are you getting that what if you dont want a kid and the condom breaks? it happens i learen that in sex ed you bearly have to try to break it And its not like sex its a slow easy motion all the time....
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
My belief also, I just don't get why someone would want to kill an innocent baby. Theres was a girl last year at my sons school, that got pregnant, her parents were so upset, they MADE her get an abortion, now their daughter has to live w/that the rest of her life (the thought and guilt of killing her baby). I know there's rapes that take place and NO ONE plans that, but i still disagree w/abortion, no matter the circumstances.
OMG that story is sad. Thanks for agreeing with me. I mean, cmon I cant believe that you can be FORCED to have an abortion, Id seriously run away if i were forced to have an abortion if i were pregnant. I think its your choice and the girl at your school last year had the right decision in her mind about keeping the baby, but her parents didnt...god.
I disagree no matter what circumstances as well.
Originally posted by F_doomed
i am Pro abortion i think it should be left up to the mom and to all you people out there agaist it i got a Question which is better a baby going through hell because there mom is like 17 or a one that dosent have to deal with that and if you think it violates god then why did he give us the science to figure out how to do it ?Oh yeah and peps that say its only okay if you get raped How are you getting that what if you dont want a kid and the condom breaks? it happens i learen that in sex ed you bearly have to try to break it And its not like sex its a slow easy motion all the time....
how about adoption?? God: we have the freedom of choice, doesn't mean all choices are the right choice.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
how can killing an innocent baby make sense, in any circumstance?
Oh hey, you're back!
Hmm, still don't believe that sending the child to Heaven(a better place than earth in Christian beliefs) rather than to have it suffer here on Earth for something it had nothing to do with(the mother getting pregnant) is a good thing?
What I don't get is that when someone believes in Heaven, and that Paradise waits for them after death, that they don't believe that the end justifies the means. A perfectly happy end(heaven) for the baby should justify the means(abortion).
Would you not want that child to be with God, than to have it live life, potentially to turn away from Christianity, and reject God, therefore giving up his priveledge of getting into heaven?
Man, Christians really need to make up their minds about shit.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh hey, you're back!Hmm, still don't believe that sending the child to Heaven(a better place than earth in Christian beliefs) rather than to have it suffer here on Earth for something it had nothing to do with(the mother getting pregnant) is a good thing?
What I don't get is that when someone believes in Heaven, and that Paradise waits for them after death, that they don't believe that the end justifies the means. A perfectly happy end(heaven) for the baby should justify the means(abortion).
Would you not want that child to be with God, than to have it live life, potentially to turn away from Christianity, and reject God, therefore giving up his priveledge of getting into heaven?
Man, Christians really need to make up their minds about shit.
🙂 hi hi yes i am
Using God, heaven and paradise to justify murder?? to make abortionist feel better about murder thats what ya'll say?
Originally posted by WindDancer
And if you gonna come at me with the "rape" case then that woman should just buy a gun and blast the rapist to pieces.
I guess (hope) there's just a tiny bit of black humour in that but I'll comment on it anyway: when someone sticks a knife or a broken bottle into your face and say "scream and you die", you don't scream, you don't fight. women who are raped tend to go into a kind of catatonic state of mind, a kind of 'playing dead'. even women with a black belt in carate stops fighting. they can't even remember the face of the rapist course they block off everything, except maybe the description of the ingredients on the shampoo bottle in front of them (example from a rape descriped in amnesty international's newest magazine in Denmark.) ergo: weapons are not gonna help on this matter.
during a rape, the woman is made into an object. to force her to go through an unwanted pregnancy is, in my opinion, to force her to stay in this 'object-role' by not respecting her own opinion and turning her into a 'birth machine'.
Originally posted by LoSt_
killing something that someday might have changed the world,
this particular argument, used in the unselfish fight against 'killings un unborn babies', has always striken me as being rather .... selfish.
an abortion should be the the business of the woman involved and not be turned into something that may or may not be of benefit to you or the rest of the word.
FE> (Yawns) Oh, you’re still playing the same old record. Didn’t I show you already that we’re not babies until we are BORN?
Why not go back and read the replies to your last holier-than-thou posts, and take those under consideration?
You’re SUCH a hypocrite. You do NOT support starving, poor children in the third world. Children you INSIST MUST be born into a world that cannot support them. So they die a few years later of starvation because YOU and your like insists on your archaic views on a woman as a birth-machine.
You CANNOT take a stand on the fact, that an abortion is better than an unwanted child, that may grow up in poverty, with uncaring parents. And become a criminal – or a murderer…
“how about adoption?? God: we have the freedom of choice, doesn't mean all choices are the right choice.”
But YOUR choice happens to be the RIGHT one? Also your choice not to help starving kids in the 3rd world?
” Using God, heaven and paradise to justify murder?? to make abortionist feel better about murder thats what ya'll say?”
Aren’t we talking about the poor, harmless, innocent kewt lil babies here? And what’s better for THEM?
Originally posted by Lianslo
I am firmly pro-life: against abortion. Its murder, and anybody who knows anything about the processes used to kill these babies should know that its sick.
How can a child change the world when it is so mentally scarred because its own parents hated it. Yea sure you can give the child up for adoption, but kids in childrens homes tend not to have a great time either because they dont have a family, so by making abortions illegal you would just increase the pressure on kids homes and have more kids without a family.
Originally posted by Line
I guess (hope) there's just a tiny bit of black humour in that but I'll comment on it anyway: when someone sticks a knife or a broken bottle into your face and say "scream and you die", you don't scream, you don't fight. women who are raped tend to go into a kind of catatonic state of mind, a kind of 'playing dead'. even women with a black belt in carate stops fighting. they can't even remember the face of the rapist course they block off everything, except maybe the description of the ingredients on the shampoo bottle in front of them (example from a rape descriped in amnesty international's newest magazine in Denmark.) ergo: weapons are not gonna help on this matter.during a rape, the woman is made into an object. to force her to go through an unwanted pregnancy is, in my opinion, to force her to stay in this 'object-role' by not respecting her own opinion and turning her into a 'birth machine'.
Yes! you caught my little dark humor there. I hope some of you didn't think I was joking about rape (I take that very seriously). My point regarding the gun comment was that nowadays women do carry some kind of defensive weapon with them. Not necessary a gun, but like electro-shocker sticks or Pepper spray. There have been attempted rape cases in which the victim was fortunate to survive the attack because she was carry a bottle maze spray.
Early in this thread I posted a comment about a rape case and abortion. If a woman is rape and becomes pregnant it is her choice to have an abortion or keep the baby. No matter what her decision might it should be influence by pro-life or pro-choice groups. In other words the decision on keeping the baby should be made by the victim. Not by pro-life or pro-choice groups.
Now, for the average women (not rape victims) that use abortion as the only solution to the unwanted pregnancy....those I don't agree with. I continue to support condoms, jelly, foam or other contraceptive. And my view is that if a woman would rather spend let's say $300 on an abortion rather than buying a $6.99 contraceptive, then the Abortion clinic should charge extra to those women. Abortion is not the only solution to an unwanted pregancy. Use contraceptives is safer and much cheaper than an abortion.
Re: Abortion
Originally posted by Julie
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?
This was probably picked up earlier, but "pro-abortion?"
Yeah, i'm pro abortion. I believe pro-abortion is best for our planet earth. Give the rest of other life a chance by not allowing any new human life. Humans can slowly get older and die off. We have caused enough damage on this planet, lets give it up cos we can't handle it, we will only destroy it. Sounds fair don't you think? 😉
Originally posted by WindDancer
Now, for the average women (not rape victims) that use abortion as the only solution to the unwanted pregnancy....those I don't agree with. I continue to support condoms, jelly, foam or other contraceptive. And my view is that if a woman would rather spend let's say $300 on an abortion rather than buying a $6.99 contraceptive, then the Abortion clinic should charge extra to those women. Abortion is not the only solution to an unwanted pregancy. Use contraceptives is safer and much cheaper than an abortion.
Originally posted by trilight
Pro-choice is exactly what your saying. The decision is the victems, thats what pro-choice is.
So if the victim decides to keep the pregnancy isn't that consider pro-life?
"Yea but NO contraceptive is 100% effective. Condoms are infact about only 70% effective at preventing pregnancies. So women are meant to give up sex altogether?"
That's the biggest excuse for those that support Abortion! Contraceptives aren't always effective. The condom is only 70% effective? How about using the pill or the birth control pad? Why not all three during sex? Is it really that hard to use them?