Abortion

[b[I think abortion is a horrible barbaric practice that results in the unmoral termination of a human life.

I think that it is an avoidable practice that should not have to occur. (Except in the case of rape)

Women & men should be responsible enough to use birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Parent's need to educate their children about protecting themselves from unwanted pregnancies.

That being said...I would NEVER want abortion to be illegal.
I believe that everyone owns their body and has the right to intervene and interfere with any process that occurs on and in their person.

I would never forcefully impose my own beliefs upon anyone else.

I just wish people would be more responsible when it comes to sex.

*salutes Tex*

Abortion is majorly wrong to me. I think that you should be made to take responsiblity for what your doing, even if you can't take care of it, give it up for adoption,dont' kill your own flesh and blood,that's barberric *sp* I have no respect for anyone who has done this,and i don't feel any remorse for them. I think they were wrong and that they will be punished for it one day.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
🙂 hi hi yes i am
Using God, heaven and paradise to justify murder?? to make abortionist feel better about murder thats what ya'll say?

Last time I checked, Christians used God, Heaven, and Paradise to justify murder as well. 😉

And it isn't murder anyway.

Originally posted by naybean
Using all 3 during sex isnt effective either. Unless you are unable to have kids PERIOD there is no way of having sex and being 100% certain that you aint gonna get pregnant. The pill is only 99% effective. If there was a way that was 100% effective dont you think everyone would be taking it? Also the pill can have serious side effects thats why a lot of people dont take them. Also its not the biggest arguement for those who support abortion. The biggest arguement for me is why bring a child into a world where its not wanted when its still a ball of cells.

That ball of cells you refer to can be avoided by using contraceptives...that's my argument. The Omega and naybean please take a moment and read this article from the FHI:

http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/Network/v16_4/nt1631.htm

It's been updated.

From that website:

"Oral contraceptives (OCs) are more than 99 percent effective in preventing pregnancy when used consistently and correctly, and they are safe for nearly all women. More than 70 million women use the pill worldwide, but incorrect use is common, thus lowering its annual typical effectiveness to about 92 percent."

These women obviously dont want children hence why they take it. but its still not 100% effective which was the point i made earlier.

"However, oral contraceptives are not recommended for women at high risk of cardiovascular disease or women over 35 years old who are heavy smokers. Also, certain health problems may become worse with pill use."

Like I said some people dont use it because of the side effects. That entire page supports what I said! Infact theres an entire section: Side effects and health that is about 10 paragraphs long.

"A recent animal study has raised questions about the connection between hormonal contraceptives and the risk of HIV infection. The study found that rhesus monkeys given the hormone progesterone were more likely to become infected after vaginal exposure to simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) than monkeys that had not been given the hormone.
The finding raises the possibility that contraceptives containing progestins, which are synthetic versions of the natural hormone progesterone, may increase the risk of acquiring HIV infection among humans. Oral contraceptives, injectables, Norplant and the LNg-IUD contain progestins." - obviously with condoms this isnt such a problem bt its yet another factor discouraging women from using the pill.

Sorry If i'm being ignorant of something but why did you post that link? I thought you were trying to sell the case of contraceptives?

Originally posted by naybean
From that website:

"Oral contraceptives (OCs) are more than 99 percent effective in preventing pregnancy when used consistently and correctly, and they are safe for nearly all women. More than 70 million women use the pill worldwide, but incorrect use is common, thus lowering its annual typical effectiveness to about 92 percent."

These women obviously dont want children hence why they take it. but its still not 100% effective which was the point i made earlier.

Key words here are "consistenly" and "correctly". It may not be 100% effective but it might be 99% effective if the directions are followed i.e. taken "correctly" (in other words your chances of pregnancy reduces by using contraceptives.)

Originally posted by naybean
"However, oral contraceptives are not recommended for women at high risk of cardiovascular disease or women over 35 years old who are heavy smokers. Also, certain health problems may become worse with pill use."

Like I said some people dont use it because of the side effects. That entire page supports what I said! Infact theres an entire section: Side effects and health that is about 10 paragraphs long.

Side effects occur in certain cases. Not in all cases. Here is something that should be acknowledge...that contraceptives should be taken only when is apply. True, it doesn't apply to all women but only to certain women the pill may not be a good choice for a contraceptive. Here is where I think condoms and foam or jelly might be more suitable for an unwanted pregnancy.

Originally posted by naybean
Sorry If i'm being ignorant of something but why did you post that link? I thought you were trying to sell the case of contraceptives?

The reason was because I failed to acknowledge the fact that the pill maybe harmful for certain women. Thus in order to make up for my mistake I posted the link. Yes, I still support contraceptives as long as they are taken correctly. Which is something I should have mention earlier. (btw-you aren't being igorant I'm just hard to follow sometimes)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Last time I checked, Christians used God, Heaven, and Paradise to justify murder as well. 😉

And it isn't murder anyway. [/QUOTE

When have I ever used God, heaven and paradise to justify murder?? I'm not the one that said that in this post.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh hey, you're back!

Hmm, still don't believe that sending the child to Heaven(a better place than earth in Christian beliefs) rather than to have it suffer here on Earth for something it had nothing to do with(the mother getting pregnant) is a good thing?

What I don't get is that when someone believes in Heaven, and that Paradise waits for them after death, that they don't believe that the end justifies the means. A perfectly happy end(heaven) for the baby should justify the means(abortion).

Would you not want that child to be with God, than to have it live life, potentially to turn away from Christianity, and reject God, therefore giving up his priveledge of getting into heaven?

Man, Christians really need to make up their minds about shit.

So, you are trying to justify murder, by saying the child will go to heaven?? There is no justifications for murdering an innocent child.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Side effects occur in certain cases. Not in all cases. Here is something that should be acknowledge...that contraceptives should be taken only when is apply. True, it doesn't apply to all women but only to certain women the pill may not be a good choice for a contraceptive. Here is where I think condoms and foam or jelly might be more suitable for an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm agreeing with you that contraceptives should be used - Im on the pill myself. But for those women who are unable to use it so use less effective contraceptives and consequently get pregnant, I think abortion should be available for them if they need it. Whether they have an abortion or not is up to them, I dont think it should be up to us to make that decision for them.

The reason was because I failed to acknowledge the fact that the pill maybe harmful for certain women. Thus in order to make up for my mistake I posted the link. Yes, I still support contraceptives as long as they are taken correctly. Which is something I should have mention earlier. (btw-you aren't being igorant I'm just hard to follow sometimes)

I'm with you now! thanks for explaining.

I think that aborting a baby is killing her or he.To me it is also murdering a incent life that can't do anything about it.Why take the easy way out and kill something that you had created?
That baby will never know love or get to grow up.Instead just because the mom made a mistake she kills it.Why?Because she thinks it is better for the baby?
Anything is better for the baby then killing it.I mean there is aportion there is alot of stuff for young mothers to do with there baby but killing it just because they made a mistake is wrong.
My mom and dad had me at a young age and was not even married but they kepted me and my sister.And I feel very grateful to be alive today becaues of them.
Anyway see you around.JM 💃

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I think that aborting a baby is killing her or he.To me it is also murdering a incent life that can't do anything about it.Why take the easy way out and kill something that you had created?
That baby will never know love or get to grow up.Instead just because the mom made a mistake she kills it.Why?Because she thinks it is better for the baby?
Anything is better for the baby then killing it.I mean there is aportion there is alot of stuff for young mothers to do with there baby but killing it just because they made a mistake is wrong.
My mom and dad had me at a young age and was not even married but they kepted me and my sister.And I feel very grateful to be alive today becaues of them.
Anyway see you around.JM 💃

Argh, difficult to disagree on the feeling gratitude for life part, I certainly feel that I owe it to my parents, of course.

POINT 1: Why is it the mum that made the mistake? When I last checked it takes two to create a child. Unless it's an immaculate conception and well, we all know how Sy feels about that tosh.

POINT 2: It's not murder, it's not yet a child in the fundamental sense of the word, it's a foetus. Abortion will never be pretty, but necessities rarely are.

POINT 3: Seriously, the easy way out? You've obviously never been pregnant have you? Well, I have, twice. Unfortunately I wasn't taking the best care of my body, substance abuse etc, and I lost both. I made no choice to have an abortion but I have still been blamed for the fact that "those potential children" died. Yes, I take partial blame. But some might say that this was an easy way out. No choice to make and no baby left at the end of it. Think about that and tell me it must have been a piece of goddamn cake.

POINT 4: Hi, welcome to KMC, I hope you settle in.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I think that aborting a baby is killing her or he.To me it is also murdering a incent life that can't do anything about it.Why take the easy way out and kill something that you had created?
That baby will never know love or get to grow up.Instead just because the mom made a mistake she kills it.Why?Because she thinks it is better for the baby?
Anything is better for the baby then killing it.I mean there is aportion there is alot of stuff for young mothers to do with there baby but killing it just because they made a mistake is wrong.
My mom and dad had me at a young age and was not even married but they kepted me and my sister.And I feel very grateful to be alive today becaues of them.
Anyway see you around.JM 💃

Originally posted by yerssot
ever heard of the word "rape"?
you go all about "hey, they had the fun, they get the pay"... I agree with that, if you don't do it save and get (un)lucky, abortion is wrong since it's not a reason... but what about if it's unwanted? the woman was raped? she should keep it to nurse it with love and respect? a baby she didn't want, created in one of the most horrible ways there is?

Ah, I forgot to add that point there in my maddened state. Good job ✅

Originally posted by Syren
Argh, difficult to disagree on the feeling gratitude for life part, I certainly feel that I owe it to my parents, of course.

POINT 1: Why is it the mum that made the mistake? When I last checked it takes two to create a child. Unless it's an immaculate conception and well, we all know how Sy feels about that tosh.

POINT 2: It's not murder, it's not yet a child in the fundamental sense of the word, it's a foetus. Abortion will never be pretty, but necessities rarely are.

POINT 3: Seriously, the easy way out? You've obviously never been pregnant have you? Well, I have, twice. Unfortunately I wasn't taking the best care of my body, substance abuse etc, and I lost both. I made no choice to have an abortion but I have still been blamed for the fact that "those potential children" died. Yes, I take partial blame. But some might say that this was an easy way out. No choice to make and no baby left at the end of it. Think about that and tell me it must have been a piece of goddamn cake.

POINT 4: Hi, welcome to KMC, I hope you settle in.

LOL!Uh thanks for the welcome part I am pretty settled in now!Anyway yes it does take two to make a baby.and it is in that case both man and woman's mistake.
But why on earth should a baby have to die because of this mistake?No I never been pregent but my mom and dad did at a young age like I said before.
and they in a way paid for there mistake.It was your responally and now you have a baby because of a one night bed stand(or what ever it is called)
So what do you do you kill that baby(and yes it is a baby that is growing inside of you) and go around again making that same mistake just time saying to yourself,
I can sleep wiht anyone and if I get pregent again then I could kill it!Does this sound good or bad to you?A human being is one of the most wonderful thing in the world and people who go around killing them are just as bad as the people that go around and kill people for fun.
To me that is just like aborting a baby.What is the difference?Excert for that you kill someone you go to jail.You murder a baby nothering happens.
Why is that?See you aroundJM 💃 Victory dance!

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
LOL!Uh thanks for the welcome part I am pretty settled in now!Anyway yes it does take two to make a baby.and it is in that case both man and woman's mistake.
But why on earth should a baby have to die because of this mistake?No I never been pregent but my mom and dad did at a young age like I said before.
and they in a way paid for there mistake.It was your responally and now you have a baby because of a one night bed stand(or what ever it is called)
So what do you do you kill that baby(and yes it is a baby that is growing inside of you) and go around again making that same mistake just time saying to yourself,
I can sleep wiht anyone and if I get pregent again then I could kill it!Does this sound good or bad to you?A human being is one of the most wonderful thing in the world and people who go around killing them are just as bad as the people that go around and kill people for fun.
To me that is just like aborting a baby.What is the difference?Excert for that you kill someone you go to jail.You murder a baby nothering happens.
Why is that?See you aroundJM 💃 Victory dance!

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I'm gonna let you have that because you have some good points and you got spunk 🙄

But, I did say that I went through miscarriages because of the drugs I was using, not because I aborted. But, I think I would have taken that route if I'd had the choice anyway, so it's irrelevent.

It is cold, it is harsh, but it happens girl. I may come across as a total stress head, but I credit myself with knowing a little more about life than you, through no fault of anyone.

Originally posted by Syren
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I'm gonna let you have that because you have some good points and you got spunk 🙄

But, I did say that I went through miscarriages because of the drugs I was using, not because I aborted. But, I think I would have taken that route if I'd had the choice anyway, so it's irrelevent.

It is cold, it is harsh, but it happens girl. I may come across as a total stress head, but I credit myself with knowing a little more about life than you, through no fault of anyone.

Thank you.And yes the world is harsh and I am sorry that you miscarriaged.That must had been real hard for you.Anyway pm me anytime yu want to chat ok?JM

You seen nice and I hate to make you not like me so all is forgiven?JM 😮 😕 😎

Your FOURTEEN, what in the hell do you know about living, and abortions, intercourse, and every bit about the mating process anyway? The only experience you have is the 5th-6th grade puberty video you've seen, you never learn about children, abortions, and the such until 11th-12th grade. I'm a guy, and 18 years old, when I was 15 my mother explained to be the difference with pro-life and pro-choice, and ever since I have been pro-choice, because I know if I screw up and get any girlfriend I have pregnant. #1, I am out on my ass, #2, I am going to support her with whatever choice she has, if she keeps the baby, I get my ass a job and support her to no end. I don't know where you get off attacking Kerry for such manners when you have never been pregnant, and yeah, obviously I haven't, but I'm not hard-headed, and I listen to issues, and I'm going to point the finger only because Kerry was on drugs to begin with, but it was her choice, she's older then me, and older then YOU as well.

I suggest you don't jump down people's throats, especially people like Kerry who HAVE been pregnant.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Thank you.And yes the world is harsh and I am sorry that you miscarriaged.That must had been real hard for you.Anyway pm me anytime yu want to chat ok?JM

You seen nice and I hate to make you not like me so all is forgiven?JM 😮 😕 😎

Sure, I think maybe you need to forgive my reaction a little too, if you wouldn't mind 😮

I just get frustrated when people talk about what they haven't experienced. Life is made up of those, wait til you have a few before you tell me I'm living wrong, k?

Originally posted by JToTheP
Your FOURTEEN, what in the hell do you know about living, and abortions, intercourse, and every bit about the mating process anyway? The only experience you have is the 5th-6th grade puberty video you've seen, you never learn about children, abortions, and the such until 11th-12th grade. I'm a guy, and 18 years old, when I was 15 my mother explained to be the difference with pro-life and pro-choice, and ever since I have been pro-choice, because I know if I screw up and get any girlfriend I have pregnant. #1, I am out on my ass, #2, I am going to support her with whatever choice she has, if she keeps the baby, I get my ass a job and support her to no end. I don't know where you get off attacking Kerry for such manners when you have never been pregnant, and yeah, obviously I haven't, but I'm not hard-headed, and I listen to issues, and I'm going to point the finger only because Kerry was on drugs to begin with, but it was her choice, she's older then me, and older then YOU as well.

I suggest you don't jump down people's throats, especially people like Kerry who HAVE been pregnant.

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John, you never fail to amaze me.

Thanks babe, I don't know what else to say........except, well, whoever you choose to spend your life with will be blessed as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by Syren
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John, you never fail to amaze me.

Thanks babe, I don't know what else to say........except, well, whoever you choose to spend your life with will be blessed as far as I am concerned.

Hehe... 😮

No problem girl, anytime....I dunno what to say to that last comment either.. 😮