Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well sir, I'm the store manager.It's my unfortunate duty to inform you that you cannot shop with us; I already have too many customers in my store.
Therefore, I am blowing up the bus that you are on, along with you and all the people in it.
Have a nice day.
It's like abortion rationale...... get it?
No, it's idiot rationale, but I'm sure you mean well.
Bless you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah I read it.Still nothing like abortion, and you're a very silly man for suggesting so.
-AC
So are you for suggesting that a fetus is like a bus to a store.
The fetus is like the parts to a store, on a company truck going to the main store for set up before opening on its own. 😄 😛
Originally posted by sithsaber408
So are you for suggesting that a fetus is like a bus to a store.The fetus is like the parts to a store, on a company truck going to the main store for set up before opening on its own. 😄 😛
Admittedly that last part was quite funny.
My point was, to be serious for a minute, that after conception begins the path to life. It's not as good as there just because it's on it's way.
Simple point.
-AC
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Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
But you know it WILL develop life later, how can you call something that you know has every probability of becoming something more NOT murder? It's just like when Galactus argued with The Watcher about how he had no intention of destroying billions of lives when he consumes a planet, he is just doing what comes natural, but The Watcher concluded that sense he is aware of the lives that are present on said planet, he is just as much of a murderer as if he had done it in the first place.
You are intelligent enough to know that a fetus WILL become a human being, where as germs and bacteria won't. So, how are you NOT a murderer?
ahh the HOPE of life. you know, when a person has sex for conception only ONE of the billions of sperms produced actually fertilize the egg, every other sperm is killed. each one of these sperms COULD have produced life{or if sum1 just jerks off} how can u justify that? eveyr time a woman has her period, her egg is killed. this egg COULD have produced life. this automatically makes us all mass murderers.{we could have stopped it, just get the operation n finish your functions}
likewise, if my mother had married sum1 else in her life, she would never have had me, i COULD have been born but i wouldnt have been born. hell if my great great great grandfather never married about 1000 people would never have been in this world. and even NOW he COULD have married another woman and had 1000 DIFFERENT decendants than us who COULD have been born and had as much right of being born as us. now does that make him a killer too. killing entire generations before they are born because of the HOPE OF LIFE? WRONG. life and rights are dependant on a CONCIOUSNESS and as soon as a fetus shows signs of THIS developing then he gets his/her rights as an INDIVIDUAL other than that its nothing but organic matter. just like a completely braindead person who is ALIVE only through an artificial heart/kidney pump ventilater etc.
which is WHY abortion is wrong AFTER a fetus goes from becoming egg yolk to sumthing thats developing a conciounce. but even then i think if the life of the mother is in the edge, abortion is permissable.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ahh the HOPE of life. you know, when a person has sex for conception only ONE of the billions of sperms produced actually fertilize the egg, every other sperm is killed. each one of these sperms COULD have produced life{or if sum1 just jerks off} how can u justify that? eveyr time a woman has her period, her egg is killed. this egg COULD have produced life. this automatically makes us all mass murderers.
Bad intention.
Bad action.
Bad result.
So stop trying to act like it's good, and make your argument more sound by saying if it's TOLERABLE.
I have arguments to backup masturbation as tolerable, because even though it wastes sperm, there is scientific proof that that sperm would die soon ANYWAY, (so unless you have someone to stick it to, it's pointless to not masturbate..) also masturbation has many health bennefits. Abortion can't say that, and again, you're trying to dodge the issue, this isn't the matrix, you are fully aware the egg will become a human. (Sperm alone=not human, ever. Egg alone=not human, ever. Sperm+Egg=human, eventualy.)
Another reason your arguments suck is because you feel the need to make ugly comparisons, comparisons that quite frankly, make you appear like a third grader..
You would think murder and selfishness would require alot more effort to be so widely accepted, but not when money and egos can be esculated cause of it, you get the gift of not having to take responsibility and STILL looking like a decent human-being, (hah..) the goverment gets your money, and your mind, because you're not going to ask any questions cause you got the petty little things you call freedom out of it, about the only ones who suffer, are those with any compassion for something other then themselves, and those with enough intelligence to realize they're being manipulated by this one sided morale battle..
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
We have no control over that. (Maybe masturbation, but that's a whole differant argument.) So a woman flushing her eggs out is a body reaction, not a mental one. But you mentaly make the judgement that's it's ok to have an abortion, this is about the intent, not the result, and either way you look at it it's bad.Bad intention.
Bad action.
Bad result.So stop trying to act like it's good, and make your argument more sound by saying if it's TOLERABLE.
I have arguments to backup masturbation as tolerable, because even though it wastes sperm, there is scientific proof that that sperm would die soon ANYWAY, (so unless you have someone to stick it to, it's pointless to not masturbate..) also masturbation has many health bennefits. Abortion can't say that, and again, you're trying to dodge the issue, this isn't the matrix, you are fully aware the egg will become a human. (Sperm alone=not human, ever. Egg alone=not human, ever. Sperm+Egg=human, eventualy.)
Another reason your arguments suck is because you feel the need to make ugly comparisons, comparisons that quite frankly, make you appear like a third grader..
You would think murder and selfishness would require alot more effort to be so widely accepted, but not when money and egos can be esculated cause of it, you get the gift of not having to take responsibility and STILL looking like a decent human-being, (hah..) the goverment gets your money, and your mind, because you're not going to ask any questions cause you got the petty little things you call freedom out of it, about the only ones who suffer, are those with any compassion for something other then themselves, and those with enough intelligence to realize they're being manipulated by this one sided morale battle..
i seem to have touch a nerve. ill leave it at that. none of the points in my argument have been countered ans as far as the sperm DYING thing, its the same as an egg DYING and now uve admitted it, whether they were gonna die is irrelevant. if all life is to be equal and given the same respect you show a fertilized undeveloped egg{which i might remind u ur only doing because of your faith n not because of any logic} then the same respect and rights should be there for a sperm{and btw masturbating is good for you and not having to go through the 9 MONTH PAINFUL AND TIRING ORDEALS OF BIRTH AND THE ACTUAL NEAR LIFETHREATENING BIRTH DEFINATELY COUNTS AS "BETTER" IN MY LANGUAGE.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i seem to have touch a nerve.
{which i might remind u ur only doing because of your faith n not because of any logic}
Originally posted by sithsaber408
A sperm isn't joined to an egg, reproducing cells which will become a human being, so I haven't killed anything by having a jerk while she's away.(which she is tonight, helpin to set up for the wedding tomorrow of the virgin guy and girl, ages 23 and 22, so I might.)
Because the sperm and egg have not been joined together in sex, there is not a human life in development.
Is there a POTENTIAL for human life being wasted in my rubber or in my hand?
Hmm. I suppose that I would say yes.
I don't believe those two things to equal an abortion, which is done to an already fertilized egg that has developed into a fetus. (2 points for me for not using the dreaded "baby" word?)
In other words, it is okay to waste the potential for human life so long as it is done through methods with which you approve, i.e. masturbation, contraceptives, and sterilization, but not through methods with which you disapprove, i.e. abortion.
In other words, it is okay to prevent the development of human life so long as it is done during a moment with which you approve, i.e. one second before fertilization, but not during a moment with which you disapprove, i.e. one second after fertilization.
That is not hypocritical of you at all.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So you consider a cell to be a human then? You have any idea how stupid you'll look if you say yes? Wrong, more importantly.You're completely wrong there too. It's a human when it first becomes a foetus, it becomes a foetus the eighth week after conception. AFTER conception.
Which, to those of us viewing at home, means not AT conception. It doesn't matter whether the cells are capable of living or not. You were arguing when HUMAN life begins, not life in general. I proved you factually incorrect and there's no debating it, so I shall not.
Your lack of knowledge regarding the field of Biology is clearly beginning to show Alpha. Do you know what an amoeba is? It's a single celled organism. Guess what an amoeba is considered to be? A type of "life" bud.
Whether it be represented in the form of a zygote, an 8 week fetus, a 16 week fetus, a 24 week old fetus, or a 36 week old fetus, the point being made my friend is that each individual stage of the fertilized ovum's development, can clearly be defined as a type of "life."
So what type of "life" do they represent?...duh..duh..duh..duh..a "human" one.😉
Put the word "human" in front of the word "life" and you get the phrase..duh..duh..duh..duh.."human life"
So what does a zygote represent?
answer: duh..duh..duh..duh...the beginning stage of a "human life."
And when is a zygote formed?
answer: duh..duh..duh..duh..upon "conception"
Truly my friend, you do need to brush up on those basic biology skills. Don't worry though, the application is going in the mail..😉
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What the hell are you going on about now? Why, in an abortion debate, are you musing over if it's ok to end someone's life if they're comatose or in a near comotose, dependent state? That sort of thing requires much thought and debate by the doctors and family of said person. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with, nor is it ANYTHING like, abortion.Not too good at staying on topic are you? So again:
You: Human life begins at conception.
Facts: It doesn't.
Being dependant upon another does not make anyone's life less valuable.
That was the simple argument that was being expressed, which you seemed to have had much difficulty grasping. But what else could I have expected from an individual who doesn't know what "viable" means..😉
FYI: Everyone who uses a respirator, is not always comatose..
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I understand fully what can and cannot be used as legitimate contraceptives. I also understand that females who do not wish to get pregnant still have the right to have sex.
Then you must understand that by engaging in sexual intercourse(heterosexual for the slow minded), there's always a risk of pregnancy. Anyone who does not understand this simple concept, should not be having sex.
Alright Alpha it's been fun..but you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, and I haven't the time to educate you on said topic, I have to do some reading for a chem lab I have tomorrow.
Purchase the BIO101 book, and fill out that application when you receive it. When you've completed the course, we'll have this discussion again.
note: I'll see if I can get the post office to send you that application via express mail..😉
Finichio
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ ur talkin CRAZY u know that. kinda like apocalypse ONLY THE STRONG SHOULD SURVIVE. n the fact that u dont even care about the child shows as much.
But to further validate my stance, alot of you claim if it was illegal, there'd be back alley abortions, and they'd risk dieing.
You obviously underesitmate (greatly) the underground crime syndicate..
The mafia, and other rich gangsters could afford to make abortion a commodity, and it would be no differant then our current abortion clinics, exsept the murder would take place in the privacy of a mobster's home in an abortion room, rather then an abortion clinic, there's no differance other then who's getting the money from this debautchery. Gangsters or our goverment..
Which is a great example of the type of people such an issue attracts, but yes, pro-choice is such a noble ideal.. 🙄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Your lack of knowledge regarding the field of Biology is clearly beginning to show Alpha. Do you know what an amoeba is? It's a single celled organism. Guess what an amoeba is considered to be? A type of "life" bud.Whether it be represented in the form of a zygote, an 8 week fetus, a 16 week fetus, a 24 week old fetus, or a 36 week old fetus, the point being made my friend is that each individual stage of the fertilized ovum's development, can clearly be defined as a type of "life."
Haha, Whob, listen carefully because it appears you are not grasping this. I'm not arguing about life in general beginning at conception, it's not scientifically provable either way.
What I proved was that HUMAN...HUMAN life does NOT begin at conception, which is what you claimed. You claimed HUMAN life begins at conception. It's not a human at conception, it becomes a human at the end of the eighth week, so that's when- arguably- human life begins. Not at conception, as you claimed.
I'm not discussing life as a whole now, I'm discussing human life and the concept of. If it's not a human it's not human life, it's not a human at conception, therefore HUMAN life doesn't begin at conception.
You shifted your point, life can be defined as many things if you want to be anal, sure. Never denied that, we agree. The fact of the matter is that at conception it's NOT HUMAN LIFE and I have proven that.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So what type of "life" do they represent?...duh..duh..duh..duh..a "human" one.😉
It's the beginning of a path to human life then isn't it? It's not A human life, because you would have to be a human to have human life. Cells aren't humans. You're a very stupid man.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Put the word "human" in front of the word "life" and you get the phrase..duh..duh..duh..duh.."human life"
See above.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So what does a zygote represent?answer: duh..duh..duh..duh...the beginning stage of a "human life."
See above. The beginning of the path to becoming a human life, not actually being one. A zygote isn't a human.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
And when is a zygote formed?answer: duh..duh..duh..duh..upon "conception"
When is a human formed? Dun dun dunnnn...end of the eighth week after conception. Not rocket science, Whob.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Truly my friend, you do need to brush up on those basic biology skills. Don't worry though, the application is going in the mail..😉
The sad thing is, you are the one who is arguing a completely different point now. You claimed that HUMAN life began at conception, I proved you factually and undeniably wrong. Now you're arguing that life in general begins at conception, fine. I disagree but it's not provable either way. THEN you said that a zygote represents the first stage, yes. The first stage on the path to becoming a human.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Being dependant upon another does not make anyone's life less valuable.
Can I ask where you extracted this rationale? I'll assume a dumpster.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
That was the simple argument that was being expressed, which you seemed to have had much difficulty grasping. But what else could I have expected from an individual who doesn't know what "viable" means..😉
I know perfectly well what viable means, Whob. I know perfectly well what your FIRST argument was.
"Human life begins at conception."
I proved you factually wrong and you changed to a different stance by posting irrelevancy.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
FYI: Everyone who uses a respirator, is not always comatose..
I'm aware, what's your point?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Then you must understand that by engaging in sexual intercourse, there's always a risk of pregnancy. Anyone who does not understand this simple concept, should not be having sex.
Anyone who does not understand that is stupid, but then again, if you run the risk of pregnancy by having sex- be it responsibly or not- and end up pregnant, then YOU must understand that it has zero to do with you what that female does with her body.
The rest of your quotes are typical Whob BS and not worth the time.
So to reiterate for you:
You, previously: Human life begins at conception.
Me: *Proves it doesn't*
You: Life begins at conception.
It's not provable either way.
You: The zygote is the first stage.
Me: A zygote IS the first stage, a zygote is NOT a human, the cells (non-human) that are there at conception (pay attention) become a human by the eighth week after conception.
Proving that HUMAN life does not begin at conception.
See you soon, because we both know you're not actually choosing to do a paper over replying to me.
-AC
Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
lol, Appocalypse was cool, but I'm thinking about the best interest of my species. Weak people weaken the race, it's common logic..But to further validate my stance, alot of you claim if it was illegal, there'd be back alley abortions, and they'd risk dieing.
You obviously underesitmate (greatly) the underground crime syndicate..
The mafia, and other rich gangsters could afford to make abortion a commodity, and it would be no differant then our current abortion clinics, exsept the murder would take place in the privacy of a mobster's home in an abortion room, rather then an abortion clinic, there's no differance other then who's getting the money from this debautchery. Gangsters or our goverment..
Which is a great example of the type of people such an issue attracts, but yes, pro-choice is such a noble ideal.. 🙄
Except that in most cases, the government doesn't collect from the abortions.
Private organizations (like Planned Parenthood) and the doctors themselves get most of it.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
😆 I have to admit that was a good one..😉
Originally posted by sithsaber408
😆 👆
Can anyone help me? I can't find the mutual masturbation smilie.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Thats where our opinions differ. Becuase its on the path rather than there doesn't mean that it's okay to blow it off the road.
so, a sperm on it's way to the egg should be prevented from getting there by a condom or a vasectomy?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Private organizations (like Planned Parenthood) and the doctors themselves get most of it.
They should, they're doing all the work.
Also I'd appreciate it if you would answer one of my earlier questions. How many children are enough?