Abortion

But you know it WILL develop life later, how can you call something that you know has every probability of becoming something more NOT murder? It's just like when Galactus argued with The Watcher about how he had no intention of destroying billions of lives when he consumes a planet, he is just doing what comes natural, but The Watcher concluded that sense he is aware of the lives that are present on said planet, he is just as much of a murderer as if he had done it in the first place.

You are intelligent enough to know that a fetus WILL become a human being, where as germs and bacteria won't. So, how are you NOT a murderer?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Stupid argument.

If I peel off enough layers of my skin, I'll come up with 46 chromosomes as well...does that mean those layers of my skin, now represent life? 😕

Let's just break this whole argument down into simplistic terms, for those individuals who still have difficulty understanding what "human life" is represented by.

sperm + egg(conception) = fertilized egg = human life
sperm + hand = messy hand = no human life
sperm + bed sheets = messy bed = no human life

Get my drift bud?😉

So anyway..even the most religious of individuals, and the secular one's who have a certain degree of common sense, understand that human life begins, at the moment of "conception."

And again conception = fertilized egg

In today's societies, human beings have multiple ways to block conception..through birth control pills, condoms, birth control shots, sponges, etc, etc, etc...

There is no need for one to get pregnant, if they do not want to.

My general position is that we should defend all human life, regardless of what stages it is in. Nowadays, many individuals will fight for the life of unborn chickens. I don't know about you, but I do think that human life is a bit more important than that of a chicken?😉

Fin

1) That's the problem with the argument of foetus = human. What defines human? Biologically, it's the 46 chromosomes, but as you helpfully pointed out, that would mean many parts of us could be considered human. So really, define a human life for me. Could it perhaps be when they are actually born and have cognitive abilities? Why is sperm different than a foetus? It has 46 chromosomes, it has the potential to create a fully developed human being if given the necessary add-ons. So do foetuses. They need oxygen and nutrients provided non-stop for 9 months.

2) I've said it before and I'll say it again: much of the argument comes from when life starts.

3) That's another message others and myself have been trying to get across. There are instances where the women does not want to get pregnant and does what she can to prevent it, but it may not work. Rape, failed contraceptives, etc. etc.

So define human life to me as well as you can, and seperate potential from reality.

P.S. I do love my Kentucky Fried Chicken. I don't like eating eggs nearly as much as I like the chicken.

Wooo! that post was way off. let me edit this thing.

The sperm has half the chromosomes of the human body, at 23. So does the egg. They combine to make a human total of 46, which is right.

Damn, my bio lessons hit me likea brick there.

He makes a good point though, there is no justification for abortion, we live in times where we have everything at our disposal, we could easily avoid getting pregnant, and yet that isn't enough, no, society (parts of it anyway) want to argue with us that they should have the right to kill a quasi-human because it's not ACTUALLY human.. And then try to tell us right from wrong.. (Meanwhile you're the ones who want to kill the thing, not them.)

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
He makes a good point though, there is no justification for abortion, we live in times where we have everything at our disposal, we could easily avoid getting pregnant, and yet that isn't enough, no, society (parts of it anyway) want to argue with us that they should have the right to kill a quasi-human because it's not ACTUALLY human.. And then try to tell us right from wrong.. (Meanwhile you're the ones who want to kill the thing, not them.)

Killing an embryo means about as much to me as eating a chicken egg. With fried chicken.

*Sigh!* That's exactly the problem, it doesn't matter what it means to you.. There are facts and then there are opinions, it's a life, that's a fact, it's going to become human eventualy, that's a fact, it's horrible that it's killed, that's an opinion, it's comparible to eating fried chicken, that's an opinion.

The fact that you have to shroud your "opinion" in vague veils of justification and silly comparisons is enough proof that you really have no other purpose for an abortion other then "I want to", which is ironicaly, something I'd expect from a child.

And as so often said, children can be so cruel..

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
*Sigh!* That's exactly the problem, it doesn't matter what it means to you.. There are facts and then there are opinions, it's a life, that's a fact, it's going to become human eventualy, that's a fact, it's horrible that it's killed, that's an opinion, it's comparible to eating fried chicken, that's an opinion.

The fact that you have to shroud your "opinion" in vague veils of justification and silly comparisons is enough proof that you really have no other purpose for an abortion other then "I want to", which is ironicaly, something I'd expect from a child.

And as so often said, children can be so cruel..

Great way to jump into a discussion and not know what the **** is going on.

It's not a fact that it is a life, then we wouldn't be having this dicussion. The fact is it has the potential to become a life. Not exactly the same thing. It can't even think for itself or realize it exists until well into 20-odd weeks. Same as a ****ing chicken.

It's not that "I want to", its that people should have the ****ing CHOICE. Yea, it is the EXACT problem, it doesnt matter what it means to YOU, the CHOICE should be availible. HENCE Pro-****ing-choice dipshit.

Don't call me a child again, I am far from it. You seriously pissed me off.

lol, you're pissed off cause I see through your disguise, children get the exact same way when they don't get what they want and you don't listen to thier sad stories..

It's irrelevant if it can't think on the same standard as a human, it can still think perhaps, we don't know, we havn't come that far in technology yet, surely it "feels". Even if it's very prmitive feeling, it's still stimulated or else they wouldn't kick and if the fetus gets sick, the mother gets sick, yes that's do inpart to them being connected, but it would be foolish to not think any living creature could not feel independantly.

The reason I refuse to acknowledge your opinion as valid is because you won't accept the cold hard truth of how what you're doing is wrong, wrong things have been done before in admittance, why can't you take up the responsibility and be a man? Less ofcourse you are a boy, then by all means, continue what you're doing, in-time you will learn what it means to be an adult and accept responsibility for one's actions..

If you had read my first post here, you would see i'm not even all that pro-life, I just would rather the goverment not treat me like i'm retarded and that i'm going to fall for thier little act of "HEY! You should have the right to have sex with everybody and abort to get out of parental responsibility! Who are we to judge you?! 😱 " It's all bullcrap to make more money, that's it, the goverment doesn't care about you, or your little opinion, they only care about the money. And the right, despite thier good intentions, are just as ignorant if they actually believe they can perusade our greedy capitalist goverment to change thier laws on abortion. It's not going to happen.

Maybe in a few years you'll realize how the real world works, or, alternatively, you'll continue to be a peverbal child, (liberal) or maybe you will "see the light" and become a born again Christian (conservative) either way, you'll be living in a fantasy world, if only life was as simple as both of you try to make it, but it's not. Our goverment is something like the mafia, and our citizens are generaly sheep, and it becomes less about what you personaly think about the situation, and more about what can be done about the situation, and that is suprsingly very little. So, with my own abilities, I pursue the glorification of pills and condoms over abortions outright, it may be no better, seeing as a morning after pill could be called an abortion as well, it may not promote better behaivor seeing as people become dependant on condoms. But you know what? It doesn't put money in the pockets of abortion doctors, who are nothing but butchers. Thus, less money for the evil goverment that controls us. However, it DOES put money into private coporations, who are probably just as evil.

But, that's the power of choice, the thing that you seem to defend so dligently, does it seem worth so much effort and passion now?

Originally posted by crazylozer
Why is sperm different than a foetus?

Didn't we already define the term "conception" a page or so ago..😉

Originally posted by crazylozer
So define human life to me as well as you can, and seperate potential from reality.

You have heard of an amoeba, haven't you?

Or are you familiar with this work....

Charles Darwin The origin of Species

Or have you studied a bit of Modern Evolutionary theory?

I believe "life's beginnings" are represented by "single celled" organisms in both of these theories..but I guess that "single celled organisms" are only considered "life" when studied in a scientific textbook, and not when described as "living" within a woman's body.😉

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
lol, you're pissed off cause I see through your disguise, children get the exact same way when they don't get what they want and you don't listen to thier sad stories..

It's irrelevant if it can't think on the same standard as a human, it can still think perhaps, we don't know, we havn't come that far in technology yet, surely it "feels". Even if it's very prmitive feeling, it's still stimulated or else they wouldn't kick and if the fetus gets sick, the mother gets sick, yes that's do inpart to them being connected, but it would be foolish to not think any living creature could not feel independantly.

The reason I refuse to acknowledge your opinion as valid is because you won't accept the cold hard truth of how what you're doing is wrong, wrong things have been done before in admittance, why can't you take up the responsibility and be a man? Less ofcourse you are a boy, then by all means, continue what you're doing, in-time you will learn what it means to be an adult and accept responsibility for one's actions..blahblahblahtoolongtoquote

No, I'm pissed off because you insist on calling me a child. Again. You just made your argument mean less than a damp shit to me, but I'll go ahead and refute it anyway.

It's completely relevant. If it can't think, can't act on its own, and can't survive naturally without the mother, it's not a functioning human life, and therefore equivalent to a chicken.

The reason you don't accept my opinion as valid is because you know I'm right but you don't like it, because you're being shown up by 'a child'. Proven by that mini-rant about being a man.

This next paragraph barely makes sense, but let's jump right in. If you don't want the government to treat you like you're retarded, then the obvious thing is for them to give you the freedom to not act like a retard. Where does freedom come from...oh shit, CHOICES!? NO WAI! The very thing you seem to be against here. And where did I agree to using abortion as a contraceptive? No where, but that's exactly what it means when you say "HEY! You should have the right to have sex with everybody and abort to get out of parental responsibility..."

Moving on...

Here you just go on to assume a whole bunch of shit about me, yet again. I'm neither a conservative douche or a liberal turd sandwich(South Park reference if you didn't catch it). But you wouldn't know that would you? Because you're an arrogant prick who jumps to conclusions.

And about the morning after pill, it can't be see as an abortion, it prevents the egg from ever attaching in the first place.

Also, most people don't realize that 'private corporations' are mostly the little mom and pop shops and family owned businesses that are trying to make an honest living. It's the public corporations with 50% of stock going to one person you have to worry about.

Get your over-inflated head out of your ass, and maybe you'll see the real world.

And yes, I still support choice. Give me liberty or give me death. I seem to remember a certain grown man saying that, and not a child.

Oh great, now we're going to quote American forefathers, another liberal stradegy.. 🙄

Yeah, I'm sure that same guy had plenty of time to enjoy freedom, you know, seeing as he had slaves and all to do his work for him.. 😉

Once again, you fail at bringing any facts as to WHY one should have an arbortion other then for some selfish gain do to lazyness or inconsiderate behavour, and go off into a fit of rage about how i'm a fascist pig and don't know what i'm talking about. You don't know what fascism is kid, if you stopped listening to green day and actually picked up a book on Stalin's reign or Hitler's rise to power, you'd understand true fascism, suprisesuprise, Hitler and Stalin would've been for abortion too..

And you quote give me liberty or give me death, I bet our forefathers would roll over in thier graves if they heard you quote that, you're not willing to die for liberty, that's a given, you don't even know what liberty is, you're in no position to be saying such things. All you're concerned about is the skin-deep thought "well, I CHOOSE to have an abortion, therfore not having the option must be totaliriansm! RARGH!! peas and carrots peas and carrots peas and carrots!" (Another more funny south park refereace..)

Again, life isn't that simple.. but ofcourse, simple minds have a simple idea of the world.. How do you expect your opinions to be respected when you don't take the time to validate thier worth or what they even mean?

Besides, why is it you feel the need to be so passionate anyway? Abortion is LEGAL, if I were you, I'd be cooler then ice. But then, maybe it's all those kiddy harmones getting in the way.. 😉

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
My point is that you are so against abortion because it ends a life. A life that has not begun, but that's secondary and semantics. Don't you have a girlfriend? I seem to recall you saying you did. A girlfriend who supports your POV? But, does she honestly support your position(no pun intended) on the nobility of life or does she refuse sex because you're the gentleman that doesn't ask for it? And when you get maried, do you intend to use contraception to prevent life from occuring, or do you intend to fill the world with children you will have issues supporting? (Now I sound like a skit from The Meaning of Life) But, seriously, at what point do you say "enough children are enough!"? Or is there never enough? Will you have a dozen kids and stop having sex at that point? Do you want a dozen kids running around or will you resort to contraception? Contraception is an odd undertaking given your perspective. You have male contraception like the condom. You have female contraception like the pill or the diaphragm. And you have operations like the vasectomy or female tubal ligation. Well, how is taking un-natural steps like contraception or sugery any different or better than abortion? When you jerk off, do you collect the seman and place it on an alter? Or do you just not masturbate? When one considers your arguments and the words you use to further it, you aren't really talking about abortion, you're talking about abstinence. You seem to think that if a couple can keep their feet on the ground that abortion would go away. (along with depression, suicide, etc) So, if you remove abstinence from the equation, all you're left with is killing? But how different is killing from prevention in this case? Do you masturbate? Do you use condoms during sex? Does your girlfriend use some form of contraception during sex? Likely not, considering your born again christian philosophy. So, you don't have sex? And when you get right down to it that's what this entire argument is all about for you people...sex...not death. Sex is evil and sex outside of marriage is the illustration of inability to control ones self...and more importantly the inability to control the impulse to have sex. Again, God's grand design is called into question. But, the catch in the christian philosophy is "free will" and seperation from nature. But, as I said earlier, free will is a moot point when one considers the supposed "divine" aspect of our creation. Or, is god just the big mad scientist in the sky watching all us rats trying to find the cheese in a maze?

Well actually Cap' she's my wife, not my girlfriend.

Yes we have sex.

Yes we use contraception (condoms)

Yes I would get a vasectomy at one point or stop having sex.

Do I equate sperm as alive? Yes.

Do I equate eggs as alive? Yes.

(Not to sound like AC here, but...) Do I equate them as being a human life? No.

A sperm isn't joined to an egg, reproducing cells which will become a human being, so I haven't killed anything by having a jerk while she's away.

(which she is tonight, helpin to set up for the wedding tomorrow of the virgin guy and girl, ages 23 and 22, so I might.)

Because the sperm and egg have not been joined together in sex, there is not a human life in development.

Is there a POTENTIAL for human life being wasted in my rubber or in my hand?

Hmm. I suppose that I would say yes.

I don't believe those two things to equal an abortion, which is done to an already fertilized egg that has developed into a fetus. (2 points for me for not using the dreaded "baby" word?)

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
Oh great, now we're going to quote American forefathers, another liberal stradegy.. 🙄

Yeah, I'm sure that same guy had plenty of time to enjoy freedom, you know, seeing as he had slaves and all to do his work for him.. 😉

All these smilies just prove my point about being an arrogant prick. His view on slavery does not affect my view on liberty, the statement still stands.

Once again, you fail at bringing any facts as to WHY one should have an arbortion other then for some selfish gain do to lazyness or inconsiderate behavour, and go off into a fit of rage about how i'm a fascist pig and don't know what i'm talking about. You don't know what fascism is kid, if you stopped listening to green day and actually picked up a book on Stalin's reign or Hitler's rise to power, you'd understand true fascism, suprisesuprise, Hitler and Stalin would've been for abortion too..

I've been posting facts to WHY for oh about...100 pages. If the parent does not have a means for caring for the child, if the child is going to be treated like crap from being unwated, if the child is going to be thrown in a ****ing dumpster, if the woman is raped, if the condom broke or the pill failed, etc. I don't agree with "I can have unprotected sex, I'll just get an abortion" but it's an unfortunate side effect to leaving the option of abortion to those who actually need it.

I'd be happy if you could point out where I ranted about you being a fascist pig..oh thats right, I didnt, and am not going to. That's just you jumping to conclusions again.

For the record, GreenDay sucks balls, and I've already read a good deal of Mein Kampf, among the many history books I've been through. You don't seem to understand the difference between 'For Abortion' and 'For Choice'. Was Hitler for choice? Hmm, I'd really like you to say "yes" on that one.

And you quote give me liberty or give me death, I bet our forefathers would roll over in thier graves if they heard you quote that, you're not willing to die for liberty, that's a given, you don't even know what liberty is, you're in no position to be saying such things. All you're concerned about is the skin-deep thought "well, I CHOOSE to have an abortion, therfore not having the option must be totaliriansm! RARGH!! peas and carrots peas and carrots peas and carrots!" (Another more funny south park refereace..)

More assuming. Your ego must be bigger than Paul Bunyan. Who are you to say what I would and would not die for? I'd rather fight and die than be opressed. And I think you mean I don't know what 'not having liberty is' because I've lived freely my whole life, and I will fight anyone who tries to take it away.

Again, life isn't that simple.. but ofcourse, simple minds have a simple idea of the world.. How do you expect your opinions to be respected when you don't take the time to validate thier worth or what they even mean?

Besides, why is it you feel the need to be so passionate anyway? Abortion is LEGAL, if I were you, I'd be cooler then ice. But then, maybe it's all those kiddy harmones getting in the way.. 😉

Of course life is that simple. Why shouldn't it be? Don't take the complicated solution when a simple one will do.

How can I expect my opinions to be respected when you don't even take the time to look at what they are and jump to conclusions at every turn?

Yes, abortion is legal now, but what makes me so passionate is that others are passionate about taking that choice away(South Dakota), and I won't be calm about it.

And it's spelled 'hormone'. And you were just shown up by a kid. Again.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It's on the path to life at conception. Path to...path...to.

I might go get on a bus to go shopping. As soon as I step on the bus, am I as good as at the store just because I'm on my way? No.

-AC

Well sir, I'm the store manager.

It's my unfortunate duty to inform you that you cannot shop with us; I already have too many customers in my store.

Therefore, I am blowing up the bus that you are on, along with you and all the people in it.

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well sir, I'm the store manager.

It's my unfortunate duty to inform you that you cannot shop with us; I already have too many customers in my store.

Therefore, I am blowing up the bus that you are on, along with you and all the people in it.

Have a nice day.

😆 I have to admit that was a good one..😉

Not quite as good as my cut and pasting abilities however..

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Good young one, now the lesson will be completely taught to you soon enough..Do you know what viable means? Didn't think so..

Let us continue our lesson with the definition of "viable.."

Does the fetus exist within "favorable" conditions within a "mother's" womb? ✅

Does that then mean that it's "capable of living" if it exists within these conditions? ✅

If something is capable of "living" despite what condition it is succumbed to, does that something then represent a "life"

It most certainly does. I'll be it might represent a simple/dependant "life", but a "life" none the less.

Or let me guess your response, because one is dependant upon another for "survival" that means they are not truly alive..right?

I guess I should go to the hospital and take all of those patients who are on respirators off of them. I won't be guilty of murder or anything, because they can't live without the respirators. I mean they're not really alive because they depend on other people to keep them alive. right Alpha? 😉

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
Abortion, a favourite topic among both sides, if there's any excuse to argue like school-children, it's abortion, why I'll never know, some primitive desire to let out aggression maybe? Liberals ALWAYS win, and conservatives never change thier opinion, it's an unstopable force coming at an immovable object..

Frankly, I am neither pro-life nor pro-choice, humans generaly suck, there's a three out of four chance i'd probably hate the bastard born, HOWEVER.. I do side with pro-life more then pro-choice. (Way more) because despite what may be said, pro-lifers tend to generaly be less pompus and snobby, (as all conservatives are in comparison to liberals) and that lowers my stress level which is always a plus..

Also i'm "pro-life" because i'm "communist", and unlike these neo-socialist teenage idiots who just follow the left-wing path like sheep to the slaughter, I actually think about things, and abortion is one of the largest contributers to the capitalist goverment's grand puba of power.

Immagine for a second that no woman would ever consider an abortion, nobody was selfish or desperate enough, people waited untill marriage to have sex, where would the economy go?

Condoms would deffinitely plummet in stocks..
So too would birth-control, the day after pill, etc.
And alot of these liberal doctors would not have an abortion clinic to fall back on if they can't become a REAL doctor.

Our goverment plants this immoral thoughts into our heads, to feed thier own hungery bellies for more power, power is in money, and as long as we countinualy are convinced "we're free! let's go drink ourselves to death and hump eachother!" the goverment is countinualy going to use you for thier own ends of acheiving greater control over you. There is no such thing as freedom, there is either deceitful control or honoust control. Frankly, I'd rather have the latter, as atleast then, there's more order and balance, and people in an honoust control setting tend to be less stupid and aggarvating..

😆 👆

Originally posted by Hack Benjamin
But you know it WILL develop life later, how can you call something that you know has every probability of becoming something more NOT murder? It's just like when Galactus argued with The Watcher about how he had no intention of destroying billions of lives when he consumes a planet, he is just doing what comes natural, but The Watcher concluded that sense he is aware of the lives that are present on said planet, he is just as much of a murderer as if he had done it in the first place.

You are intelligent enough to know that a fetus WILL become a human being, where as germs and bacteria won't. So, how are you NOT a murderer?

ahh the HOPE of life. you know, when a person has sex for conception only ONE of the billions of sperms produced actually fertilize the egg, every other sperm is killed. each one of these sperms COULD have produced life{or if sum1 just jerks off} how can u justify that? eveyr time a woman has her period, her egg is killed. this egg COULD have produced life. this automatically makes us all mass murderers.{we could have stopped it, just get the operation n finish your functions}

likewise, if my mother had married sum1 else in her life, she would never have had me, i COULD have been born but i wouldnt have been born. hell if my great great great grandfather never married about 1000 people would never have been in this world. and even NOW he COULD have married another woman and had 1000 DIFFERENT decendants than us who COULD have been born and had as much right of being born as us. now does that make him a killer too. killing entire generations before they are born because of the HOPE OF LIFE? WRONG. life and rights are dependant on a CONCIOUSNESS and as soon as a fetus shows signs of THIS developing then he gets his/her rights as an INDIVIDUAL other than that its nothing but organic matter. just like a completely braindead person who is ALIVE only through an artificial heart/kidney pump ventilater etc.

which is WHY abortion is wrong AFTER a fetus goes from becoming egg yolk to sumthing thats developing a conciounce. but even then i think if the life of the mother is in the edge, abortion is permissable.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Correction..it is not a fully "developed" human...however, it is a human "life" none the less. Are you sure you know what viable means?
If something is viable, it is "alive"..duhh..😉

Don't believe me..just ask my friend..dictionary.com

So you consider a cell to be a human then? You have any idea how stupid you'll look if you say yes? Wrong, more importantly.

You're completely wrong there too. It's a human when it first becomes a foetus, it becomes a foetus the eighth week after conception. AFTER conception.

Which, to those of us viewing at home, means not AT conception. It doesn't matter whether the cells are capable of living or not. You were arguing when HUMAN life begins, not life in general. I proved you factually incorrect and there's no debating it, so I shall not.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Clearly you have demonstrated that you have just as little knowledge of the medical field, as you do about English vocabulary.

Newsflash bud..not everyone who is attached to a respirator, is a "vegetable" as you have put it. Many people, who have various [b]lung ailments and are not able to fully breathe on their own, still have other fully functional mental/physical capacities. This would hardly make them "vegetables", just dependant on someone with a bit of compassion to provide for them while they're unable to provide for themselves. Is that too much for them to ask for?[/b]

What the hell are you going on about now? Why, in an abortion debate, are you musing over if it's ok to end someone's life if they're comatose or in a near comotose, dependent state? That sort of thing requires much thought and debate by the doctors and family of said person. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with, nor is it ANYTHING like, abortion.

Not too good at staying on topic are you? So again:

You: Human life begins at conception.

Facts: It doesn't.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If it has to be explained to you that abstinence and sterility can be used as 100 percent full proof contraceptives, then you're a lost cause my friend. BIO 101 Alpha..I'll send you an online application to an "accredited" university so that you may learn these basic concepts.

I understand fully what can and cannot be used as legitimate contraceptives. I also understand that females who do not wish to get pregnant still have the right to have sex.

You don't. I'll send you an online application to the real world so that you may learn these basic concepts instead of diving off into drivel, purely because your main point has been wrecked.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
No fault of their own? 😆

Unless someone is forced to have sexual intercourse with another, it is always their fault if they become pregnant.

"Fault" is the wrong word to use.

If a male and female in a loving relationship do not want kids, but choose to have sex, are you going to say they are wrong? Are you against sex? Are you frigid or something? I should guess not.

So therefore, if they take every precaution bar abstinence, then it's not exactly like they were careless was it?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
We let the woman choose, because many societies are too foolish to realize that the choice is not up to her. Women aren't born with the inherent right to choose whether or not an individual lives or dies. Society gives them this option. Only a fool would think otherwise.

No, many societies are too self-absorbed and stupid to realise it's their choice what they do with their bodies. Simple really.

I have no right to tell you not to take drugs or who to have sex with (haha), just like you have no right to tell any female she can't have an abortion. It's growing inside her, she houses it, she bears the egg. Without her the baby is an egg forever, not a child. She giveth, she taketh. It's that simple.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Obviously we have a difference of philosophical opinions, which won't change in the context of these debates. However, I truly hope life's circumstances never put you in a situation where your life is solely dependant upon another.

I care only about my loved ones and friends, but if I was forced to care for people I'd never met or known, I'd care for those already here. Not a foetus.

Originally posted by sithsaber400
Well sir, I'm the store manager.

It's my unfortunate duty to inform you that you cannot shop with us; I already have too many customers in my store.

Therefore, I am blowing up the bus that you are on, along with you and all the people in it.

Have a nice day.

I'll remind you that you claim to be "pro-life" and let the hypocritical irony of what you just said, sink in.

Wanting to commit an Al Qaida-esque act? Blowing up a bus full of people? That's not very pro-life now is it? I was sitting next to a pregnant lady too.

I like you, you're like a little warm up bag I can reply to before I deal with everyone else.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll remind you that you claim to be "pro-life" and let the hypocritical irony of what you just said, sink in.

Wanting to commit an Al Qaida-esque act? Blowing up a bus full of people? That's not very pro-life now is it? I was sitting next to a pregnant lady too.

I like you, you're like a little warm up bag I can reply to before I deal with everyone else.

-AC

I would have thought that you of all people would have gotten the joke in there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's on the path to life at conception. Path to...path...to.

I might go get on a bus to go shopping. As soon as I step on the bus, am I as good as at the store just because I'm on my way? No.

-AC

Well sir, I'm the store manager.

It's my unfortunate duty to inform you that you cannot shop with us; you are an unexpected, unplanned shopper, I already have too many customers in my store.

Therefore, I am blowing up the bus that you are on, along with you and all the people in it. (can't have you showing up in MY store, when I'm not prepared to deal with you. Maybe I shouldn't have opened up shop, but oh well.)

Have a nice day.

It's like abortion rationale...... get it?