Abortion

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
In that case, I can ask who has the RIGHT to say I can't drive drunk? Apparently, some one didn't like it so now its illegal. Laws are human creations--they're nothing but ink on paper that says what we can and cannot do.

In Pennsylvania its illegal for a horse to ride in the back seat of a car. Why is that? Where's the "good" reason???

There must have been a situation where some bad happened. I don't know and neither do you. No use debating that here.

Please get back to abortion.

It is impossible for me to say pro-life. I have not ever been in the position to choose, but I know women who have.

Who are we to say to a woman who has been raped or worse an incest rape, that she has live w/ the pain and the shame of that every day for 9 months.

I do not believe that abortion is morally right. But I do not believe that rape is right either.

Originally posted by Aurora
It is impossible for me to say pro-life. I have not ever been in the position to choose, but I know women who have.

Who are we to say to a woman who has been raped or worse an incest rape, that she has live w/ the pain and the shame of that every day for 9 months.

I do not believe that abortion is morally right. But I do not believe that rape is right either.

I would think that if a girl got raped by her father, brother, uncle, ect. In my mind that would be worse.

Originally posted by Aurora
I would think that if a girl got raped by her father, brother, uncle, ect. In my mind that would be worse.

I see....well, that's okay ...

Wesker> If you did not assign "good" to potential life unquestioningly I misread your post. My apologies.

Aurora> "I do not believe that abortion is morally right." That is debatable. But I can easily see where you are coming from. In a much better world, there would be no need for abortions, all kids would be welcomed and cared for. In a better world there would be no rape, either. No loss of education- or career-opportunities to women on maternity leave...

Originally posted by The Omega
Aurora> "I do not believe that abortion is morally right." That is debatable. But I can easily see where you are coming from. In a much better world, there would be no need for abortions, all kids would be welcomed and cared for. In a better world there would be no rape, either. No loss of education- or career-opportunities to women on maternity leave...

Well just on a note here everything is debatable................morals are all subjective.

In a better world people would learn to prioritize and take responsibility for their actions...............for better or worse.................anyway I digress I am pro-choice up to 3rd term anyway.

Point is if people took responsibility for their descions we wouldn't have this discussion. Having a baby could be more difficult and add duress to your life but it's a path that you have chosen to begin with.

Originally posted by The Omega
Wesker> If you did not assign "good" to potential life unquestioningly I misread your post. My apologies.

Aurora> "I do not believe that abortion is morally right." That is debatable. But I can easily see where you are coming from. In a much better world, there would be no need for abortions, all kids would be welcomed and cared for. In a better world there would be no rape, either. No loss of education- or career-opportunities to women on maternity leave...

Absolutely! I could not have said it better myself!

Originally posted by soleran30
Well just on a note here everything is debatable................morals are all subjective.

In a better world people would learn to prioritize and take responsibility for their actions...............for better or worse.................anyway I digress I am pro-choice up to 3rd term anyway.

Point is if people took responsibility for their descions we wouldn't have this discussion. Having a baby could be more difficult and add duress to your life but it's a path that you have chosen to begin with.

I agree with you, although it is ironic that you were talking about subjective morals and then went ahead to talk about a "better" world....happens to me a lot too, I take you mean a world that you would enjoy more....

Soleran> I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a pro-choicer here, who just says "Yeah, just go abort up until the day before birth". THAT would be very irresponsible in my book.
After a month, the girl/woman would know she's pregnant (assuming proper sex-ed), and should discuss the options with her partner.

How should a raped woman "take responsibility" for her actions? What if the condom breaks? No contraception is 100 % fool-proof today.
I don't have sex to have kids. I choose to have sex because it gives me great pleasure.

Why do you think a lack of responsibility is behind abortions?

Bardock> I was the one who tossed in the "better world" term.

Originally posted by The Omega
Bardock> I was the one who tossed in the "better world" term.

Yeah, but you are not the one that claimed that "morals are all subjective" though. So I suppose you just don'T know any better....damn I am cocky today 😛

Originally posted by The Omega
Soleran> I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a pro-choicer here, who just says "Yeah, just go abort up until the day before birth". THAT would be very irresponsible in my book.
After a month, the girl/woman would know she's pregnant (assuming proper sex-ed), and should discuss the options with her partner.

How should a raped woman "take responsibility" for her actions? What if the condom breaks? No contraception is 100 % fool-proof today.
I don't have sex to have kids. I choose to have sex because it gives me great pleasure.

Why do you think a lack of responsibility is behind abortions?

Bardock> I was the one who tossed in the "better world" term.

Absolutely Omega, I put in my position on abortion so that you might have a clearer idea of where I am coming from.

The responsibility thing is once again subjective only the person knows if what they are doing is correct for them and the situation. Which is why I have expressed my opinions on the subject at hand. I am the pro-choice type which is why I don't relegate why or who or what as to the abortion or the reason for it.

I'll save my soapbox about responsiblity because it seems to get abused in regards to this topic anyway.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I see....well, that's okay ...

Bardock, do you live in a world with no people or something? If you don't realize off the bat how incest rape is worse than regular rape, you need to socialize more. Incest rape is two parts betrayal, one part sexual abuse, and five parts humiliation. I've seen figures on incest cases reported, and the projection of those NOT reported is surprisingly high. It's underreported all over the board.

Omega, just glad we're on the same page. I apologize for when I was touchy the other day; I shouldn't have been on here posting, as I had some private problems going on and it trickled into my attitude.

Originally posted by Wesker
Bardock, do you live in a world with no people or something? If you don't realize off the bat how incest rape is worse than regular rape, you need to socialize more. Incest rape is two parts betrayal, one part sexual abuse, and five parts humiliation. I've seen figures on incest cases reported, and the projection of those NOT reported is surprisingly high. It's underreported all over the board.

Omega, just glad we're on the same page. I apologize for when I was touchy the other day; I shouldn't have been on here posting, as I had some private problems going on and it trickled into my attitude.

Oh I see why you think it is worse.....that's alright.

Soleran> Try me 🙂 Try to give me your argument on responsibility in regards to this subject.

Before you do, though, may I ask you to contemplate one thing? Do we humans always know all our choices? If parents and/or the school for example have refused to impact on me proper sex-ed, can I accused of irresponsibility?
Again, how should a raped woman take responsibility for her actions?

Can I be accused of making the "wrong" CHOICE, if I did not even know I had one?

Wesker> No problem. We all have bad "hair days", and no human can be pragmatic, objective and respnsible 24/7 🙂

(Patiently waits for Soleran to reply to this as well...)

Originally posted by Soleran
The responsibility thing is once again subjective only the person knows if what they are doing is correct for them and the situation. Which is why I have expressed my opinions on the subject at hand. I am the pro-choice type which is why I don't relegate why or who or what as to the abortion or the reason for it up to 3rd term.

I'll save my soapbox about responsiblity because it seems to get abused in regards to this topic anyway.

People will always find the answers they are looking for Omega, I'll still save my soapbox about responsibility

I'm pro choice, women have been aborting their foetus' for thousands of years and will carry on doing so regardless of what the law tells them the can or cannot do.

Sure. You can't make something go away by making it illegal... You can only make it dangerous.

Pro-choice 👆