Originally posted by Bardock42
I doubt the law in Ireland considers abortion murder. To be murder it does not only need to be unlawful. If in Ireland someone gets an abortion, are they charged with murder? I doubt it. Because it is not murder.
Abortion is illegal in Ireland, so wouldn't this mean that Irish law considers abortion to be murder? Just like the law over here allows abortion because it has decided it is not murder? Sorry if I am not making much sense, I am trying. 😛
Originally posted by PrincessMary
Abortion is illegal in Ireland, so wouldn't this mean that Irish law considers abortion to be murder? Just like the law over here allows abortion because it has decided it is not murder? Sorry if I am not making much sense, I am trying. 😛
Not really. Stealing for example is illegal...is it murder because of that. Nope.
Abortion may very well be legal without being considered murder. Murder is not the only illegal action.
ohhhh ok i missed that u wanted to know waht i thought of the subject.
well this may get me hated.
but i think it can be good.
i mean if ur not ready for it or u know u cant provide for it but arnt able to give ur kid up knowing it may not find a home, then yeah.
but i was also in a semi-spot to know.
i thought my ex was knocked up a while ago we both knew it would come t that if she was pg.
im 17 no job live at home.
shes 900 miles away with a shity job. yeah i dont think best time for a kid.
so i would havegone with abortion but if she said no i want to keep it i would pack my shit and move to her, theres no way i would let her have my kid and not be there for it no matter how hard a time it may have been.
im for abortion. not in all cases just most.
Originally posted by Razielim
It's a matter of point of view, really. You could make good arguments for either case. It depends on how you view life and potential life.
I have heard brilliant points of view from both sides of the debate. Both sides have something worthwhile to contribute. It would be even better if both sides could sit down and discuss the matter together, instead of getting violent.
Originally posted by dave_kodak
i thought my ex was knocked up a while ago we both knew it would come t that if she was pg.
im 17 no job live at home.
shes 900 miles away with a shity job. yeah i dont think best time for a kid.
so i would havegone with abortion but if she said no i want to keep it i would pack my shit and move to her, theres no way i would let her have my kid and not be there for it no matter how hard a time it may have been.
I am so glad you would support your girlfriend. So many men wouldn't. 🙂
Originally posted by dave_kodak
im for abortion. not in all cases just most.
Same here. Can you tell us when you wouldn't support abortion? 😉
Originally posted by dave_kodak
well i wouldnt if u planed on having a kid then said oh i changed my mind when ur like 6 months in.
I think that, if a woman needs a late term abortion for whatever reason, her health should be assessed, because it may be possible her child could be born by ceserian. I don't see why an unborn child has to die if he or she could be saved.
Some questions for everyone here:
1. Pro choice or pro life?
2. How long have you been PC or PL?
3. Is there any time when pro choicers would not fully support an abortion?
4. Is there any time when pro lifers would accept an abortion?
5. Should a fetus be afforded more rights once the viability stage has been reached?
6. What do you think about partial birth abortion?
7. Are there too many abortions each year?
8. How can we reduce the abortion ratio?
My answers:
1. About 95% Pro choice.
2. I have been pro choice for only a few months. I used to be very,. very pro life, but I listened to what some pro choicers had to say, and realised they were right.
3. I only support abortion if it is 100% necessary after viability.
4. Can't answer.
5. I believe that a fetus should afforded more rights once viability has been reached. The rights of the fetus should never supercede the mothers, but I think it deserves more rights than it had at, say, 12 weeks.
6. I find partial birth abortion repelling. It should only be carried out when absolutely necessary.
7. Here, there are an estimated 90,000 abortions per year. One in four pregnancies end in abortion. That, to me, is far too many. In the USA, there are around 1.25 million abortions each year. That, too, is too many. I would assume most abortions are carried out because no contraception was used, which is sad, considering how much of it there is.
8. More sex education in schools, more promotion of contraception in newspapers and magazines etc, would be a good start.
Originally posted by dave_kodak
that is true.
but if u know that the child is going to ie on birth then im not sure which would be easyer for her to take.
i would say get the abortion if u knwo ur child is going to die on birth, it would be alot harder to ahve to hold ur child in ur arms knowing its not alive.
It would depend on what the woman feels she could handle. She should decide what option is best for her. 🙂
yes she should. me i knwo i woudlnt be able to handle that and im more then sure my ex wouldnt be able to hadle that too.
something like that is a really hard thing to pick i mean there is the off chance ur wrong and the baby could live, but are u willing to take that chance? me im not sure if i could.
Originally posted by PrincessMary
Some questions for everyone here:1. Pro choice or pro life?
2. How long have you been PC or PL?
3. Is there any time when pro choicers would not fully support an abortion?
4. Is there any time when pro lifers would accept an abortion?
5. Should a fetus be afforded more rights once the viability stage has been reached?
6. What do you think about partial birth abortion?
7. Are there too many abortions each year?
8. How can we reduce the abortion ratio?
My answers:
1. About 95% Pro choice.
2. I have been pro choice for only a few months. I used to be very,. very pro life, but I listened to what some pro choicers had to say, and realised they were right.
3. I only support abortion if it is 100% necessary after viability.
4. Can't answer.
5. I believe that a fetus should afforded more rights once viability has been reached. The rights of the fetus should never supercede the mothers, but I think it deserves more rights than it had at, say, 12 weeks.
6. I find partial birth abortion repelling. It should only be carried out when absolutely necessary.
7. Here, there are an estimated 90,000 abortions per year. One in four pregnancies end in abortion. That, to me, is far too many. In the USA, there are around 1.25 million abortions each year. That, too, is too many. I would assume most abortions are carried out because no contraception was used, which is sad, considering how much of it there is.
8. More sex education in schools, more promotion of contraception in newspapers and magazines etc, would be a good start.
1 Pro choice
2 a few months
3 yes there is a few times indeed
4 could happen
5 YES!!!!
6 hmm not quite sure im so-so on it.
7 yes and mostly for stupid reasons like i didnt want to use a condom.
8 USE CONDOMS AND TAKE PILLS!!!!!!
Originally posted by dave_kodak
the attitude for me is.
im a guy i cant get pregnant no matter how hard i try.
but still i dont sleep around thast just wrong in my book. one person is all i need.
Would you say it is more the woman's responsiblity to insist that a condom be used, seeing as she is the one who becomes pregnant, or is the responsiblity the mans, since he is the one who uses the condom?