Originally posted by DiamondBullets
No. 🙂
Okay. May we debate about this? You don't believe a woman has the right to make decisions about her own body, correct? You believe a woman, if pregnant, should be made to bring that child to term. But what if her life is in danger? What if she were the victim of rape, or incest? A child born of incest is likely to be very ill.
Let me ask you this: Do I have the right to force you to do something to your body you may not agree with? Say if I thought drugs were the best thing since sliced bread. Do I have the right to force you to take them, because I believe taking drugs is right? I know this has nothing to do with abortion, but the right to choose is all about deciding what is best for ones body.
I don't believe I have the right to force anyone to do anything they don't want. Likewise for a pregnant woman. If she decides that she is not well equipped to take care of a child, she has the right to decide not to have that child.
But I guess we will have to agree to disagree. But what do you say about the first paragraph? About if the woman were a victim of rape or incest? What if she is only a child?
What about those children in countries which 'marry' off their children as young as 8? Eight year olds have become pregnant before, should they, if allowed, not be able to abort their child in order to protect their physical heath? 😕
A women should not be allowed to decide the fate of the child developing inside her for many reasons. Some are controversial based on religion and perspective (such as it being murder, which I believe). But all that aside, the choice is not the women's because she does not own the child's life and the child is not her's alone. Incest, that pretty nasty, but I'd have to say I'd have to allow the baby's birth and in the case of rape the decision would have to lie with the unanonymous decision of both the father and the mother. Aborting an 8 year old's child is not abortion in my view, but rather life saving surgery.
Originally posted by Nellinator
A women should not be allowed to decide the fate of the child developing inside her for many reasons. Some are controversial based on religion and perspective (such as it being murder, which I believe).
But all that aside, the choice is not the women's because she does not own the child's life and the child is not her's alone. Incest, that pretty nasty, but I'd have to say I'd have to allow the baby's birth and in the case of rape the decision would have to lie with the unanonymous decision of both the father and the mother. Aborting an 8 year old's child is not abortion in my view, but rather life saving surgery.
But the child is growing inside her, doesn't give her the authority to decide whether or not to keep that child? A fetus has no rights, unless the woman decides to give that fetus rights. Pregnancy is not a walk in the park, and many things can go wrong. Sometimes pregnancy just doesn't agree with some women.
Also, you are wrong when you say' The child is not the woman's'. The child is hers, as she conceived that child, and only she has the right to decide that child's fate.
I wish women didn't abort, but I believe that I have no right to force any woman to gestate against her will. 🙂
I didn't say that the child wasn't hers. I said she does not own its life and that she alone does not own it. It takes to conceive. The developing baby contains the DNA of two people, not one. A fetus should have rights. At the very least abortion should be considered animal cruelty or something as a fetus is very much alive.
Originally posted by Nellinator
A women should not be allowed to decide the fate of the child developing inside her for many reasons. Some are controversial based on religion and perspective (such as it being murder, which I believe). But all that aside, the choice is not the women's because she does not own the child's life and the child is not her's alone. Incest, that pretty nasty, but I'd have to say I'd have to allow the baby's birth and in the case of rape the decision would have to lie with the unanonymous decision of both the father and the mother. Aborting an 8 year old's child is not abortion in my view, but rather life saving surgery.
In other words, a girl who is raped by her father should be forced to remain pregnant against her will and deliver a baby that is both her child and her sibling? Who exactly is going to raise this child? Who is going to explain to this child that his mother is also his sister and that his father is also his grandfather?
In other words, a woman who is raped should be forced to remain pregnant against her will and deliver a baby that her rapist will have parental rights to? Who exactly is going to raise this child? Who is going to explain to this child that he is the product of rape? How many rapists do you think will come forward and provide the necessary consent for his victim to have an abortion?
Originally posted by dave_kodak
lol and btw a friend of mine said that the people who said i should read this are sadistic creatures. she means u Bardock42, and lets not forget botankus.
I'd say I'm certainly more cruel than botankus.
Originally posted by PrincessMary
The law tells us many things are fact, but people have the freedom to decide what they believe.The law tells us that abortion is not murder, because it is legal. Is there such a thing as legalised murder?
Not enough is known about the unborn, so no one, not even the law, can say whether or not abortion is, or is not, murder.
You have the freedom to believe what you want, but your opinion is wrong if disagree with purely defined terms.
No, there is no legalised murder, because if it was legal it wouldn't be murder.
Wrong, law can say if it is or isn't and it did, and abortion is not murder. Good? Fine!
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, there is no legalised murder, because if it was legal it wouldn't be murder.
As I said in an earlier post, not enough is known about the unborn to know whether abortion is murder or not. Perhaps in 20 years time, more will be known about the unborn, and the laws will change.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I didn't say that the child wasn't hers. I said she does not own its life and that she alone does not own it. It takes to conceive. The developing baby contains the DNA of two people, not one. A fetus should have rights. At the very least abortion should be considered animal cruelty or something as a fetus is very much alive.
Well, considering the fetus is developing inside the womans body, I would have to say that she does own the child. The male also 'owns' the child, although not in the same sense, because he doesn't have to go through nine months of pregnancy. I don't think we can say whether or not a fetus is 'alive'. At 12 weeks, the fetus isn't even aware of anything. I don't even know whether the fetus is ever aware of anything. A fetus is human, but as it has not been born, it cannot be living. Therefore, it is not to be considered a person until birth. Having said that, I do believe that a fetus should be given personhood, if, say, a pregnant woman was beaten by a jealous boyfriend, and caused the death of her much wanted baby. I do not like the law saying 'The baby isn't yet a person', because then, even though the man (or whoever) may have wanted to unborn child to die, he will not be charged with murder, instead, he would be charged with something like 'Grevious bodily harm', which makes no mention of any unborn child, or even of any pregnancy, and the law can certainly not deny both existed.