abortion is only acceptable (in my opinion) when BOTH the mother and child are in danger, sorry, but if a mother is dumb enough to go and make a baby when they know somehting might effect it, that's thier fault.
Either way, i root for the babys.
It's a child, not a choice. It's downright disrespectful to have sex and then kill the child.
People say "well protection breaks", but you took the chance.
Amen.
True Mist. If your wanting to have sex just for fun and not have a baby, well obviously you should always be aware of the consequences of that and realize that. I agree that you are not mature enough...and that it is irresponsible to think that you just wanna have sex for fun and not have a baby...well, you have to look at it as if that might happen...and if it did...its your fault.
"SEXUAL F*CKING REPRODUCTION!?! Do you not understand this concept? I am now convinced that you are not mature enough to have sex. As stated earlier, if you aren't willing to accept responsibility for your actions, don't have sex. IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE! I don't care if it is "safe". Safe doesn't mean 100% accurate so you better damn well be willing to accept responsibilties. Abortion in these cases are cop-outs."
I noticed a few people saying that aborting an unborn fetus is destroying human portential, and preventing fate, and saying things like "what if it was destined to be the next president??"
If it was fate, or destiny, or any of that other crap, then the baby wouldn't die in the first place. Fate and destiny means that your path is already chosen and there's nothing you can do to change it. The argument is invalid with the very definitions of the words you use.
"I noticed a few people saying that aborting an unborn fetus is destroying human portential, and preventing fate, and saying things like "what if it was destined to be the next president??""
I always find this argument funny. "What if this baby was going to be the next great doctor and discover the cure for cancer!?"
My response: What if this baby was going to become the next hitler or a rapist/murderer?
I am not saying that it is some religious thing, I use fate in a very open context. The main arguemt for pro-choice activists often seems to be that what is being aborted is not really a life. I am not saying what if it is the next president, I am merely wondering how one can say it is not a life when everyone who is here today and has been, has started there. Its not about fate, but to me its potential, that being, I will call it a baby (I might discuss the power of denotation and connotation in the future), deserves to be allowed to live, saying, but terminating it at that stage is not killing a baby sounds very weak to me, as the potential is there, it is on there verge of life like all us lucky devils who were allowed to live. And once again I say I am not saying it is the next Einstein, but pointing out that at some point Einstein was at that very same transistional stage. It is a remarkable double think that we can celebrate an unborn child as a knew life from 4months onwards, but just a day before it was nothing. It is life.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I am not saying that it is some religious thing, I use fate in a very open context. The main arguemt for pro-choice activists often seems to be that what is being aborted is not really a life. I am not saying what if it is the next president, I am merely wondering how one can say it is not a life when everyone who is here today and has been, has started there. Its not about fate, but to me its potential, that being, I will call it a baby (I might discuss the power of denotation and connotation in the future), deserves to be allowed to live, saying, but terminating it at that stage is not killing a baby sounds very weak to me, as the potential is there, it is on there verge of life like all us lucky devils who were allowed to live. And once again I say I am not saying it is the next Einstein, but pointing out that at some point Einstein was at that very same transistional stage. It is a remarkable double think that we can celebrate an unborn child as a knew life from 4months onwards, but just a day before it was nothing. It is life.
It IS just a bunch of cells, but you are correct, of course the potntial is there.
Now, I was born when my mother was(fortunately) stable, and I did not have too bad of a childhood. YET, if i were born when things weren't going as well as they could have been, and I was given up for adoption, or lived poorly in slums, or came out moderately to severely disabled and just had an overall shitty life, then yes, I'd have wanted my mother to abort me. I'd rather not exist than live through a life of pain and suffering. I'd rather not see a child experience the worst, when he could have died happy/ignorant.
That's my whole argument. Yours is "there is the potential for a great human there" and my argument is "there is potential for a lifetime of pain and suffering there". We basically cancel each other out.
Originally posted by hunchy
Dude, you've got some strange theories. I like animals a lot...but killing a human baby is yes, worse than killing an animal. Human beings are more important. Big egos...Actually, we extremly smarter and if you believe the bible we were created to govern over them, and they also have no spirits...but if you DON'T believe the Bible...than we still are the superior species...so I would still kill an animal over a human...I have many animals...I know what animals are...Cutting off a leg, full of cells, is not like killing a whole species of a human being...the leg is part of you...cutting off your leg would be like cutting off the baby's leg actually...I think I'm done debating you...Your ideas go far beyond which I wish to debate and I will not change your mind...plus you listen to Rage Against the Machine..but that's beside the point.
My theories are not uncommon among the pro-choice-ers among us... I just put them differently. For the last time, a fetus is NOT a baby. It doesn't know it exists. It doesn't know anything. It can't, it doesn't have a brain yet. Obviously a fully developed human is superior to a cow, but a cow is far superior to a little speck of a fetus.