my belief is that once the fetus is capable of detatching from the mother and surviving, its alive. thats why im against late term abortion. its basically a fully formed and functioning child which just hast been born yet. if the mother's life is threatened, thats another issue entirely, but once that threshold is reached, its way past a reasonable time for a mother to decide she cant handle having a kid. just my two cents.
Originally posted by Princess Mary
Not a child. A potential child, yes, but not an actual child while the fetus is still in the womb.-AC
Mary..you know that we agree on most things.
But the Fedus FEELS PAIN....did you know that ?
You would inflict pain on someone just because thier mother doesn't want to BOTHER having them?
And you are killing a LIVING THING..its murder sorry.
im stoping my quest at page 42, i knew it wouldnt take long before i couldnt take anymore, but at least i tried.
so in those 42 pages i already knew i would just be reading the smae thing over and over by fdifferent people, as for that i must say yes some are for it some are not for it, but the one thing that will never change is the factor the i Cthulhu is big. so yeah just wanted to come back and say that and stuff.
Originally posted by alpha centauri
First, Mary said that, not me.Killing doesn't equal murder. Murder is a specific crime non applicable to abortion.
-AC
This is only true because the LAW does not protect fetuses, nor does it treat them as Human Beings/Citizens.
THANKFULLY partial birth abortion has been outlawed.
However, after 2 months the fetus has fully developed nerves, and it feels pain. When a woman has an abortion she is subjecting her unborn child to horrible pain...WHY?
Because she don't want the baby.
Hmm........that makes perfect sense.
To ME it's murder. You are killing a living thing for no other reason than your personal agenda. She doesn't want the baby for whatever reasons i.e. cant support it (adoption hello), or whatever.
She is intentionally killing her child....just because it hasn't come out of her damn Vagina does NOT mean it's not HER child......
Now listen up, I am as Liberal as it gets. I'm a nutcase when it comes to freedom of Choice and the use of one's free will.
But to me LIFE comes before choice. And you are only talking about the WOMAN's choice. What choice does that baby get to decide in the matter ? NONE
The woman is FORCING her choice onto an unborn child who has no say in his/her own life.
And don't give me this argument of "Oh it's HER body, she can do whatever she wants to it:"....
THE FETUS is not HER bodypart. The FETUS is ITS OWN organism with its own under developed bod, with its own capacity to feel pain.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
To ME it's murder. You are killing a living thing for no other reason than your personal agenda. She doesn't want the baby for whatever reasons i.e. cant support it (adoption hello), or whatever.
It doesn't matter what YOU believe it is, it's factually not murder. That's not up for debate. Killing? Yes, but killing isn't evil. Killing is an act. Murder is very specific killing under certain circumstances, these circumstances are not applicable to abortion. Fact. What you think doesn't matter, what matter is what actually IS. You think it's immoral killing, fine. That's up to you. It's not murder though, so stop calling it that.
-AC
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But to me LIFE comes before choice. And you are only talking about the WOMAN's choice. What choice does that baby get to decide in the matter ? NONEThe woman is FORCING her choice onto an unborn child who has no say in his/her own life.
And don't give me this argument of "Oh it's HER body, she can do whatever she wants to it:"....
THE FETUS is not HER bodypart. The FETUS is ITS OWN organism with its own under developed bod, with its own capacity to feel pain.
...and since when has a woman became a foetus incubator?
American law states - CLEARLY - that invasion of anyone else's body is against the law.
You cannot go and rape someone/murder someone/assault someone or do any other harm and pretend thats ok, so why are you all of a sudden able to dictate what another person is going to do with their body and in what way they will instrument it.
foetus IS part of woman's body - they are not separate - and she has the right to decide whether she will let it grow inside or not.
Its simple as that.
Oh and also, since when has foetus, undeveloped, unconscious piece of simple organism gain more rights than a full grown, self aware human being?
You cannot go and rape someone/murder someone/assault someone or do any other harm and pretend thats ok, so why are you all of a sudden able to dictate what another person is going to do with their body and in what way they will instrument it.
I NEVER did....i would NEVER tell a woman what to do in this case, because i am not a woman, nor would i ever know what its like to be pregnant, so despite my opinion i would never force it on someone.
Please do not jump to these kind of assumptions about me.
A fetus cannot feel pain.
Yes it can Sir.
Oh and also, since when has foetus, undeveloped, unconscious piece of simple organism gain more rights than a full grown, self aware human being?
It never did gain more rights, but that is because the LAW does not recognnize it as such.
Does that make it so, no?
FEtus...unconcious? Are you on crack ? The fetus is self aware after a few months, with nerves and all...it can feel pain, it can hear it's mothers voice, where did you learn ur info ?????
I have studied this in school, my mother is a Nurse who works in Labor and Delivery and she herself knows very well......
foetus IS part of woman's body - they are not separate - and she has the right to decide whether she will let
WRONG 👇
The Fetus is the developed organism from the egg cell and sperm cell, CONNECTED by placenta..that does not make it PART of the woman, it is a LIVING ORGANISM with its own life being SUPPORTED by the woman's placenta..
it is NO WHERE as simple as you would suggest.
The Egg Cell is detached from the woman's body, as is obviously the Sperm which helps create the Fetus.
Summary of a presentation given by Dr. Paul Ranalli on "Pain, Fetal Development, and Partial-birth abortion" on June 27, 1997. (I personally attended this presentation). Related links are included below.
The fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks. This is probably a conservatively late estimate, but it is scientifically solid. Elements of the pain-conveying system (spino-thalamic system) begin to be assembled at 7 weeks; enough development has occurred by 12-14 weeks that some pain perception is likely, and continues to build through the second trimester. By 20 weeks, the spino- thalamic system is fully established and connected.
The Fetus doesn't feel pain huh ?
You guys want me to get MORE sources ?????