Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Summary of a presentation given by Dr. Paul Ranalli on "Pain, Fetal Development, and Partial-birth abortion" on June 27, 1997. (I personally attended this presentation). Related links are included below.[B]The fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks.
This is probably a conservatively late estimate, but it is scientifically solid. Elements of the pain-conveying system (spino-thalamic system) begin to be assembled at 7 weeks; enough development has occurred by 12-14 weeks that some pain perception is likely, and continues to build through the second trimester. By 20 weeks, the spino- thalamic system is fully established and connected.The Fetus doesn't feel pain huh ?
You guys want me to get MORE sources ????? [/B]
This argument is pointless as 90% of abortions are performed before 10 weeks.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wait..wait.. what question ?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's a difference.That said, I'll ask again. Why does it matter to you so much, if you are obviously of the belief that it's up to the woman?
-AC
Although I think LU's already answered with his other statements.
PROVE WHAT?
I already got the information from Doctors' clarifications themselves.
After 20 weeks (about 5 months) the fetus already has nerve endings developed enough so that it can FEEL PAIN.....
Around this same time the fetus is able to HEAR it's mother's voice, SO how can you say its not self-aware ?
Because it has no identity yet? Wow...it can feel pain and hear it's mother's voice, but its not aware of its own existance...yeah nice try
I have already stated the quotes before, and if you overlooked them that's not my problem.
Now....would i ever FORCE a woman to bear child birth? NO...why?
Because i am NOT a woman, i will NEVER know what its like to go through the PAIN of giving birth or anything like that.
What a woman does with her child is ultamately NONE of my business or place to speak (UNLESS the child is also my own)
If I were a woman, and i were pregnant, and lets just say for arguments sake, that I WANTED to get an abortion.....I would do it as SOON AS I POSSIBLY fkn can so that the fetus does not develop full enough to be able to feel pain and be aware of what's going on.
However, regardless of my stance on choice, i am PERSONALLY against Abortion....
TO ME..in MY OPINION...it is only justifiable in terms of if the fetus threaten's the mother's life OR if the woman was RAPED....
if the woman was RAPED then she did NOT have the ability TO MAKE ANY CHOICE in the matter...sexual or matriarical
However for a woman to intentionally kill her child SIMPLY because she didn't want it, is to me incredibly cruel.
I am against DEATH is all cases except SELF DEFENSE...I am againtst Abortion as much as I am against the Death Penalty, as much as i am against unnecessary wars.
"we eat steak..is that murder?"---STFU man......COWS are not human beings. They are not HUMAN FETUSES.....how ignorant do you have to be to compare a CHILD TO STEAK ????????
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
"we eat steak..is that murder?"---STFU man......COWS are not human beings. They are not HUMAN FETUSES.....how ignorant do you have to be to compare a CHILD TO STEAK ????????
your replies are so damn predictable. all i have seen is obnoxiosly double spaced paragraph after paragraph of you pissing and moaning and trying to convince us that your will and opinion should be law based on nothing but the shed of your crocodile tears as an appetiser to yet another of your bloated browbeating sessions.
when challenged by a valid point you turn coward and choose the "split hairs and run like hell with it" method to avoid the blatant point staring you in the face. how pathetic and weak. 😬
Originally posted by PVS
your replies are so damn predictable. all i have seen is obnoxiosly double spaced paragraph after paragraph of you pissing and moaning and trying to convince us that your will and opinion should be law based on nothing but the shed of your crocodile tears as an appetiser to yet another of your bloated browbeating sessions.😬
LAW ? Are you BLIND? I said i would NEVER FORCE my opinion on any decision, what are you smoking ?
Oh and btw, i love how you fail to counter ANY of my other points, and go straight for the STEAK LOL
😆
Originally posted by PVS
ZOMG!!!!!!! CHILD TO SKEAK!!!!!!CHILD!!!! STEAK!!!!1111your replies are so damn predictable. all i have seen is obnoxiosly double spaced paragraph after paragraph of you pissing and moaning and trying to convince us that your will and opinion should be law based on nothing but the shed of your crocodile tears as an appetiser to yet another of your bloated browbeating sessions.
when challenged by a valid point you turn coward and choose the "split hairs and run like hell with it" method to avoid the blatant point staring you in the face. how pathetic and weak. 😬
I am still awaiting his reply in the "Protesting Funerals of Dead Soldiers" thread.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[B]to some, eating meat is murder. should we outlaw that too?LOLOL
What points ???? this is the only point you've MADE PVS [/B]
many people are of the mind that killing animals for food is murder.
"murder" is another subjective term which you parrot and parade because you havent a useful way of defending your point of view.
you seem to acknowledge your p.o.v. as fact, and everyone elses: "LOLOL"
of coarse you are far superior to them and you get to judge that which is right and wrong. because you know what should be considered murder. and i'm supposed to take you seriously?